[Shane361]

I'm about at my wits end. Ready to volunteer my car for the next Triple X movie for a cool stunt off a high bridge! I drove to Kennedy today and the car sprayed coolant all over the engine bay. There was tons of fluid in the overflow but little in the crossover. The car is kicking all the fluid back to the overflow from the engine for some reason. I was told to burp it and did to the best of my ability so I must not be doing it rite or its something else. Any help would be greatly appreciated-Shane

[Hmbre97]

Are you putting the car on an incline while burping it?

[2k4mk1]

Yeah Ive heard to jack the front up so the crossover is higher to allow all the air to get out.

[Shane361]

Yes, incline and jack driver side up more which also helped. Replaced the thermostat this morning to no avail. Pretty sure I put it back in the way it came out but not its leaking and its rather tight. Looked like it only went one way in and found the oring seating surface only on one side. Second guessing my self now. Read one article where the spring points to the lower hose going into the radiator on the bottom. I didnt install it this way and I dont think I took it out this way. Any ideas on that one? -Shane

[sonicblue03]

This is from my service cdRom


Filling — 4.6L (4V)

CAUTION: Some vehicle cooling systems are filled with Motorcraft Premium Engine Coolant VC-4-A (in Oregon VC-5, in Canada CXC-10) or equivalent meeting Ford specification ESE-M97B44-A (green color). Others are filled with Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant VC-7-A (in Oregon VC-7-B) or equivalent meeting Ford specification WSS-M97B51-A1 (yellow color). Always fill the cooling system with the same coolant that is present in the system. Do not mix coolant types.

CAUTION: Engine coolant provides freeze protection, boil protection, cooling efficiency, and corrosion protection to the engine and cooling components. In order to obtain these protections, the engine coolant must be maintained at the correct concentration and fluid level in the degas bottle.

When adding engine coolant, use a 50/50 mixture of engine coolant and clean, drinkable water.

To maintain the integrity of the coolant and the cooling system:

Add Motorcraft Premium Engine Coolant VC-4-A (in Oregon VC-5, in Canada CXC-10) or equivalent meeting Ford specification ESE-M97B44-A (green color), or Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant VC-7-A (in Oregon VC-7-B) or equivalent meeting Ford specification WSS-M97B51-A1 (yellow color). Use the same coolant that was drained from the cooling system. Do not mix coolant types.
Do not add/mix orange-colored Motorcraft Speciality Orange Engine Coolant VC-2 or equivalent meeting Ford specification WSS-M97B44-D. Mixing coolants may degrade the coolant's corrosion protection.
Do not add alcohol, methanol, or brine, or any engine coolants mixed with alcohol or methanol antifreeze. These can cause engine damage from overheating or freezing.
Do not mix with recycled coolant unless it meets the requirements of Ford specification ESE-M97B44-A or WSS-M97B51-A1. Not all coolant recycling processes meet these Ford specifications. Use of such coolants can harm the engine and cooling system components.

NOTE: The addition of Motorcraft Cooling System Stop Leak Pellets, VC-6, darkens Motorcraft Premium Gold Engine Coolant from yellow to golden tan.

Check all hose clamps for correct tightness. Make sure the radiator draincock is closed.
Place the heater temperature selector in maximum heat position.
Remove the pressure cap from the cooling system reservoir and the fill plug from the engine crossover tube.
CAUTION: Do not fill the cooling system through the reservoir only. Coolant will not enter the engine. Only the reservoir and the radiator will be filled and engine overheating will occur.

Add coolant into the fill neck on the engine crossover tube until coolant reaches the top of the fill neck on the cooling system reservoir.
Install the cooling system pressure cap on the reservoir.
Continue to fill the cooling system at the engine crossover fill neck until full.
Install the engine crossover tube fill plug.
WARNING: To avoid the possibility of personal injury or damage to the vehicle, do not operate the engine with the hood open until the fan has been first examined for possible cracks and separation.

CAUTION: If the engine temperature gauge does not move, coolant level is low in the engine and must be filled. Stop the engine, allow to cool, and fill the cooling system as outlined.

Run the engine until the thermostat opens (coolant flowing through the radiator lower hose becomes hot).
Stop the engine and allow to cool.
Add coolant to the engine crossover tube fill neck until the cooling system is full.
Install the fill plug.
Repeat the fill procedure if necessary.

Bleeding

Select the maximum heater temperature and blower motor speed settings. Position the control to discharge air at A/C vents in instrument panel (04320).
Start the engine and allow to idle. While engine is idling, feel for hot air at A/C vents.
CAUTION: If the air discharge remains cool and the engine coolant temperature gauge does not move, the engine coolant level is low and must be filled. Stop the engine, allow the engine to cool and fill cooling system.

Start the engine and allow it to idle until normal operating temperature is reached. Hot air should discharge from A/C vents. The engine coolant temperature gauge should maintain a stabilized reading in the middle of the NORMAL range. The upper radiator hose (8260) should feel hot to the touch.
Shut the engine off and allow the engine to cool.
Check the engine for coolant leaks.
Check the engine coolant level in the degas bottle/coolant expansion tank and fill as necessary.

[Shane361]

Well, this is currently where I am. I took the thermostat housing off from the 4 hoses. I wanted to see how this thing looked internally, verify the oring seating surface and insure no cross threading due to hose tension. I had it in rite the first time as I thought. The new thermostat is shorter which seems to make no difference. The hole to allow water to flow through is smaller but if it opens up more then its no different. It is a cross reference numbered thermo from the parts store. It also as you can see in the 2nd picture has a small hole in it. I read in one thread that I searched that some people drill a small hole so I found it interesting that this one came with it. I had some leakage through even though the bolts were tight, oring was seated properly, even with no pressure. So I used to emory cloth to make sure the surface was free of nicks and corrosion. The hose comming from the overflow tank was rather dirty, gonna check on that some more. Thanks agian and more to come I'm sure-Shane

[RaceRat]

check and see if your intercooler pump is working.

[Shane361]

Originally Posted by RaceRat

check and see if your intercooler pump is working.

Yes, it atleast is swirling around bubbling having a great time, as usual Burpring the car now..still...on off add on off add. The fan doesnt seem to come on..unless the ac is on. HMMM?-Shane

[psiperformance]

is the car actualy overheating ?> IE does your gauge show the temp is to high or is it just pushing the coolant out ?


also as you said verify if the fan is running the low speed relay could be out in the ccrm

let the car run and idle to operating temperature the fan should turn on on low speed after a while.

[Shane361]

Originally Posted by psiperformance

is the car actualy overheating ?> IE does your gauge show the temp is to high or is it just pushing the coolant out ?


also as you said verify if the fan is running the low speed relay could be out in the ccrm

let the car run and idle to operating temperature the fan should turn on on low speed after a while.

The gauge in the car is fine, midpoint same as always. The car though had been puking its brains out from the overflow cap. It also died as I was getting off the interstate from overheating about a week ago. I drove 75 miles the other day and it didnt overheat but it did puke up alot. The motor is new from Ford and now there is a KB on top. Issues started after both since they were done at the same time. Thoughts are either fan, pump, or air in the coolant system-Shane

[Shane361]

More info..

Data loged with the predator at idle.

The fan did come on both high and low speed this time.
Engine coolant went from 208 to 232 and started puking fluid out of the overflow cap like a heartbeat.(little bit every second but pause in between)
The air intake temp read 123 and jumped to 128. Rant he car for about 10 minutes during this process. Car was still alittle warm to start with. Guage inside read little past the normal point but never went deep. Any insight much appreciated-Shane

[Shane361]

Something else to ponder...
When I take off the cross over tube cap off with the car running it isnt flowing in any one direction. Just sorta jumping around with the engine. Also the tube before the thermostat is hot but after is cold. I replaced it with one that I know works. Could these be symptons that the car has a faulty water pump, or still possible that air is in the system?-Shane

[Shane361]

End of story...

1rst problem was that ford didnt burp the coolant system as they should have. 2nd problem was I installed a thermostat hoping that was the problem and it didnt work cause it was the wrong one. I told Oreileys about this but doubt they will do anything about it. Their 03/04 thermo opens at 193 and not 180 as I needed plus it was shorter which meant it wouldnt do its job. So with the proper FORD thermo and a good coolant flush she is back to normal. Idle to HWY was between 184 and 190. Now..I was also missing on #3, so I replaced the coil pack and she is perfect again. Cleaning the filter and then gonna go for a spin. Thanks for all the advice guys-Shane

[86sleeper]

good to hear.
sounds like it was a real bummer for you.

[Shane361]

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

good to hear.
sounds like it was a real bummer for you.

To say the least, I learn the heard way..but I learn..thanks