Attn: Big ProCharger Racers ; need to evaluate this buildup please

[TheyCallMeDave]

Hello. At age 55, Im still a bit of a newbie to Drag Racing but i believe ive found a very sweet deal on this guys Mustang and would ask if you would read over his build list and give me your opinion of the quality and integrity of what he has in the car . Id also appreciate any questions i should ask him in regards to the buildup, etc... Thanks much.

engine

bran new b50 sportsman block 30 over decked,aligned honed , mains have girdle, eagle forged crank with h-beam pro mod rods. custom je forged pistons with tool steel up grade, gap less speed pro rings compression is 8.23 to 1, trick flow girdle ;on the mains. canfield heads everything balanced and blueprinted. canfield head titanium feria valves, triple solid roller springs and titanium retainers and 10 degree locks, crane gold 1.6 roller rockers arp studded ( entire motor and heads have 1/2 in. studs by arp ) with jomar stud girdle. custom ground solid roller cam made for my application ( i have cam card ), fully ported and flowed hogans sheetmetal intake, air gaper trick flow lower intake., custom made oil pan,pickup , windage tray . hi volume iol pump with motorsports shaft...

exhaust

stahl full length stepped headers 1 7/8 to 2 inch into a 3 1/2 inch collector headers are coated ., has 3 1/2 inch custom built x pipe and custom 3 1/2 inch tail pipes that go over the rear just like factory. all stainless steel...

cooling system

afco aluminum 3 core, 160 stat. always stays cool. black magic hoses top and bottom with t-bolt clamps, csi red electric water pump...

fuel system

aeromotive pro series 11102 pump with matching filter. sumped gas tank,all braided lines, y block aeromotive red rails and regulator with custom made bracket. 96 lb injectors

trans.

bran new c4 by dynamic transmission, vasco 4340 shaft, heavy duty kit w/7 clutch hi gear, fully rollerized, billet 6 pin gear sets,reverse manual valve body, custom built neal chance bolt together converter built for my application. oil cooler with fan mounted under front of car., deep pan., csi shield. jw ultra bell. poly mount, hurst magnum grip with pro cnc handle motorsports alum driveshaft and loop.

supercharger

procharger F2 with cog belt setup, tensioner, custom made blower brace. polished intake tubing, ati procharger red blowoff valve makes 21 psi with filter on with this setup

suspension

10 point chrome molly cage br mark palodina of unotrhdox chassis, custom subframes tied into cage, window net. wolfe double adjustable uppers.southside solid lowers, upper spherical bushings, flaming river close ratio manual rack. qa1 k frame. qa1 arms, d@d coil overs set up with 175 lb qa1 springs, polished hotchkis caster camber plates., torque boxes welded and plated with 1/8 in steel never been hurt., eibach rear drag springs with lakewood 50/50 shocks

rear

8.8 housing with welded tubes, t/a girdle. 33 spline 5 lugstrange asles. auburn unit, 3.55 gears, rear dixc brakes with brackets from northcost race cars

computer

car is run by accel dfi gen 7 engine managment. has the newest 3.6 upgrade tuned on laptop by jobe spetter jr of turbopeople in new york., inovative west balancer with built in crank trigger.

there is more but you get the idea. it has less than 1000 miles on the drivetrain. it made 945 rwhp at 7200 rp (20 psi boost) , it has tons left in it . only pass went 9.14 at 146 mph
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[EZ2SPD]

what year?

[TheyCallMeDave]

what year?

Early 90's .

[Mark Keiser]

seems to me they used the wrong block. It will have no shot at holding the power it should make.

Also have heard of people having issues with thos heads depending on when they were made.

price?

[TheyCallMeDave]

seems to me they used the wrong block. It will have no shot at holding the power it should make.

Also have heard of people having issues with thos heads depending on when they were made.

price?

I tried to find out what the block hp rating is , but couldnt find out. But it does appear the guy put the best of the best internals in the block , trans, rearend, and suspension.

[racer99]

The girdle will keep all the pieces together when the block lets go.
The C4 is on borrowed time with a F2 when its right.

[TheyCallMeDave]

The girdle will keep all the pieces together when the block lets go.
The C4 is on borrowed time with a F2 when its right.

Which would have been a more appropriate block for 900 rwhp ? Thanks.

[racer99]

Dart,Fontana or RDI in you can find one.

[Sonic Blue 85]

If sounds like for the most part he built the car with some good parts. You just need to change out a few things, like has been said previously the block it a problem. The rotating assembly sounds like it is probabl good enough for that power level. The transmission like it is a very strong C4, Dynamic is probably the only company who probably builds a C4 that will hold that power, even then it will probably need to be torn appart and gone through often. The rear Lakewood shocks need to go, get some Strange adjustable. It did not list the front struts, I would also install Strange struts on the front too. Overall it sounds like a good build, there are a few things that should be changed. The car may have been built in the early '90s, but many of the parts listed were not availible in the early '90s, like the block, the blower, most of the suspension, heads crank, rods transmission, convertor, intake, ect. I would say it was more likely build around 2003 to 2008 would sound a lot closer to when many of those parts were commonly availible.

[TheyCallMeDave]

Car has 65,000 miles, motor has about 1000 miles ,trans has less than 100. Only one pass at 9.14 sec. Also, I ran what everyone said about his B50 SPortsman Block in this car...and here was his response :

"WE RAN THIS BLOCK FOR 2 YEARS IN OUR OTHER CAR AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT WHAT SO EVER. IF YOU START PUTTING 35 OR 40 LBS OF BOOST ANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BREAK"

and....

"ALSO I AM NOT MAKING ALL MY HP WITH BOOST , I HAVE GREAT HEADS, INTAKE, CAM, COMBINATION. TAKE A LOOK AT MY BROTHERS CAR IT HAD A DART BLOCK IN IT AND LASTED 9 PASSES. MY CAR IS ONLY 20 LBS OF BOOST AND THE BLOCK WILL HANDLE THAT WITH NO PROBLEM, I HAVE RAN SUPER CHARGER AND BLOWER AND NOS CARS FOR 25 PLUS YEARS AND I AM VERY CONFIDENT IN MY COMBINATION".


Comments please. Thanks.

[Mark Keiser]

How much power did the other car make?

The B50 block is only rated to 500-600 hp. It is a little better then the stock block.
Keep the boost and the RPM's low and it will last for a while. Making 1000 hp you are already on borrowed time with it. It would be much cheaper to replace the block now then later.

[Sonic Blue 85]

Mark is very correct, that was basicaly my point on the parts I listed. Over all the car looks like it is well done except for a few parts which most of those could be replaced easily, the block would be a little harder and cost more, but then you good reliable engine in the car. The sportsman blocks are very simular to a factory 351W block as far as strenght goes. Also the heads are not that much of a factor in the hp equation, basicaly better flowing heads are going to allow the air to be pumped into the engine easier, lowering boost pressure, that will not do anything for taking any strain off of the block. The only way to make more hp without increasing strain on parts is to reduce friction and rotating weight. Increasing hp with more boost, better heads, better cam, higher compression ratio, leaning the engine out or increasing timing will all increase cylinder pressure and the strain on the block, crank, rods, pistons and bearings. Freeing up exhaust back pressure on a combo like this may increase power without increasing strain on the short block, to some degree, but that will probably also increase the strain on the short block, because you will not have as much burnt gasses left in the cylinders, allowing more air with unburnt oxygen and fuel into the cylinder, which is going to increase cylinder pressure. Keeping the rpms low will help prevent damage to the block, but at the same time there is a limit to how much much cylinder pressure you can make at lower rpms, without doing even more damage.

[jimmy5523]

I like the combo! I dont have the knowledge to coment on the block but it does seem the people making that big of power are goin with dart etc. I take it the 355s are because it is a smaller tire car? At that power and those gears your tranny is gona hate u no matter what it is lol I know a guy putting 950 to the wheels on a turbo f body with the same gear combo and he has to rebuild his tranny like its an oil change