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05-18-2009, 01:23 PM
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Eventually we will but right now just wanna go out and have fun and learn a few things. A new motor build will be in the future as well.
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05-18-2009, 04:01 PM
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05-18-2009, 04:28 PM
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That new class is impressive but Eaton already went 5.20's in it as well so it's not that much slower plus it's alot harder to get them small tires too hook. But dewfinatly something worth lookin into. |
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06-02-2009, 08:17 PM
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Yeah I just got back from my cruise so i've been out of it for a week, but it looks like she's ready to go. We are going to try and go Wednesday if not then we will be out Friday.
Here are the Final Pics, there isn't plans to change anything from how it looks right now. It's ready for the track. Hope you guys enjoy the pics and I added a vid as well.      |
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06-03-2009, 12:07 AM
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That car is fewkin awesome! Great work on the build! Cannot wait to hear what the small block does down the track!? Make sure to post up first track trip results.....i've been watching this thread since the begining....Congrats travis and everybody that was apart of the build!
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06-03-2009, 01:58 PM
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My phone is broke Herman that's why I haven't been able to call ya back. It broke the day before I went on my cruise so im trying to get a new one right now, but im about to head to his house so we can get everything all loaded up for tonight. So we should be there tonight and see how things go.
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06-04-2009, 06:00 PM
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Whoa what a long night it was last night. But in the end i feel we learned quite a bit and are moving in the right direction. The car ran ok I wasn't expecting it to set the world on fire and after all as good as it sounds it's still just a 302 based motor with some 205's and a victor jr intake. The converter is way off and the car was a total pig off the line with the best 60ft of 1.67. I would say another 1500rpm for the converter and it would be good for the motor, however we dont intend to run it on the motor so much so if we loosen it up 500-700rpm I think it would be good for the spray but again im no expert by any means. The chassis is way loose and the car was literally hopping off the line. Gonna check into the shocks and see what changes can be made. We're still learning with the carb stuff so everyday is a new lesson for us but i think we'll get a handle on it soon enough. I'm certain we had too much octane, fuel psi, and drop a step to a colder plug. As well as change out the power valve as it might be resulting in a slight stumble and bog.
Antone and his son out there helping out.  Unloading ole Jyd off the trailer for the first time at the track..   Before all the homeboys got there...  Hope we got enough plugs. Probably need a few more since Pj hooked it up with a full 200lb bottle of nitrous....  Pj's badass airbrushed helmet...  Pj and his brother Mark wondering when we get to spray this bitch  . Mark has a killer ass black 69 Pro Touring Camaro with a BBC and a STICK of course.. Aww hell the southside crew is here ...  Making coil-over and shock adjustments.   End of the night finally made our last pass and best pass. 
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06-04-2009, 07:31 PM
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06-05-2009, 02:10 PM
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07-06-2009, 11:42 AM
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sidenote* tell travis that car looks wicked!!!! To all the BPA crew awesome job!!! |
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07-06-2009, 09:00 PM
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Good luck to Ralph and Eaton in that class im sure they will have that 8.5 stuff figured out in no time. I'll be sure to tell Travis. As for that other thing that kid is speaking beyond his means. If something is going to happen you know im the First and ONLY one that's gonna come out and say it. DECISIONS DECISIONS" That would be the story of tonights events. Well we loaded up for the track tonight and see if we could inprove on anything and I think we just found another headache....lol. Car right now just doesn't hit the tires hard enough. IMO it's the converter and it's just too damn tight and it's not flashing the converter high enough on the spray to really hit the tires. It stalls to about 4k on the brake. And as soon it's released it just leaves like it's got 3.08 gear or something HAHA. Only cuts a 1.49 60ft. Also seem to be having a few problems with the carb still. Motor was originally a street oriented with a 5spd and that's how the carb was built. Now it's got a 29" tire, and a c4 with a 4k stall converter. Thanks to Orange Powerhouse Rudy for helping out with some knowledge tonight. He said the carb might not be getting a good enough signal compared to the original setup it was intended for. So will be calling Prosystems tomorrow and see what he thinks. Dilemma... Last pass the tranny puked the fluid out on the top end so we gotta pull it anyways and get it checked out. See how the converter is as well and im hoping to change it out into a custom one as well. So we spend $$$ on a good converter and put it back in with the c4?? And reading up on the C4's there maintenance is really high and we are not excited AT ALL about having to take this bastard out. So we sure as hell dont want to be taking them out every 30passes for rebuilds, if necessary. Other option is we have a stock case glide with a brake on it ready for a rebuild. Do we spend the money fix the glide and get a badass converter with it?? Drawbacks to the glide is we only have an 8.2 deck nitrous motor right now and is that too much tranny for us now??? Any Ideas??? Here's some of the latest pics guys. Mark just got the camaro running a day earlier so they thought they would test it out. So he decided to cruise it on out to San Antonio with us. No better way to find out how much of a street car it is than drive it an hour and half from home. It's a 500+ BBC and a Tremec     
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07-07-2009, 08:38 AM
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MARC CAMARO IS WICKED SEXY!!!! DAMN THATS FXCKING CLEAN!!!
Sick88 I would definately talk to Ls1punisher about convertors. He wrestled that problem for a very very long time and has finally got it figured out. I remember him say the same thing about it feeling like it had 3.08's. What was the best the blue coupe ran NA and nitrous? I was telling someone about it and thought it ran a 9.4x or 9.3x at 147 |
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07-07-2009, 09:11 AM
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Just my .02,
in ref to the tranny puking out the breather on the tail shaft, its pretty common from what I've seen, to include it happening to me. My understanding and experiance is that C4 will from time to time puck out the vent hole, Mine did it after the 5th hard pass, my friends has done it from time to time, he has a PA, his will do it maybe after 4 passes or not until 15 passes, no reason. It maybe that it just a tick overfilled or not, common fix is to tap the vent place a fitting on it run it to catch can. I ran mine along the drive shaft tunnel secured it to the chassy and bolted the catch can just before the rear end up where the sheet metal turn up for the rear seat, which gives enough ground clearance for going up and down the rap on the trailer. Depending on how much power your making I would not recommend a glid because of the small cubic inch motor and the torque your down vs a 9.5 stroker. If your un happy with your converter I had mine built by Shane's Converters at Canyon Lake Texas, guy does excellent work, and my tranny was build by Dave Delgato.
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07-07-2009, 09:31 AM
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Yes and if anybody wants to see both cars up close we got a lot at the Texas Heatwave and both cars will be there so come check'em out. Yeah I was talkin to John D about it and he said to go with a low gear glide but drop back to 28's for the time being until we build a bigger motor. So if we have anymore problems with the C4 then I think we will do that. He said Ralph had a badass converter for sale as well for the glide that might work for us so we'll see. The blue coupe didn't go that fast but I wish it did. We still had an RPM II intake on it which isn't enough for that type motor ++++ nitrous to feed enough air through it. What you up to Tom you tryin to get the troops ready incase it makes an appearance.....  
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07-07-2009, 09:49 AM
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That converter place is closed from what i hear. David was at the track during midnight madness helping us out as well and he told me about that converter place I believe. Didnt remember the name but pretty sure he said Canyon Lake so I figure that's the place. |
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07-07-2009, 11:19 AM
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Yeah John definatly knows what he's talking about. I just try and do my research and listen to others who have been there and done that and derive my own opinions based on that. . The evolution of knowledge has just changed so much from 20yrs ago you wouldnt believe the jet and fuel psi spreads we run on the spray now. Compared to the "safe" tunes them come with. But so far we've had success with it and as I said it's just a learning process so we've got a TON of that to do.
Yes it went Mid 9's but not that sort of mph. This is a nitrous car tom not one of them fancy supras you know all about. It takes some nuts to get a nitrous efi stang that damn fast. We hadn't changed the jets in it in 2 years from the time we made the first and last video of it. There's some still left in it and I have a good idea of what can make it go faster. The only problem is using the power and not breaking anything. When it made it's fastest pass I believe it was already breaking....the pin was starting to shear off the cam. Becase when we would check the timing from the week before it was 4-6* off and then we reset it and it made it's best pass. AFter that is slowed down 2 tenths and started to pop and hiccup. Timing was off again... Tore it down and the exhaust valves got bent and the cam was junk. I do believe it had more in it and have learned a few things since then that we will try out and see if it helps any. If we ever get it back to the track.... it's going on 3yrs and people still talk about it on other boards like it was yesterday. One day very soon though... |
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07-09-2009, 08:58 AM
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You know whats funny is that Jason was part of the Brat Pack but always did his own thing and was in competition with everyone in the Brat Pack. He never wanted to listen just do is own thing which was cool but he was always behind. He had it out for Ralph bad. When Ralph and I parted ways Jason called me and said "dude I have been chasing yall for years. Help me out!" There was always talk about Jason being sneeky so I told him I need to see where the car was at and go from there. We went to SAR and it ran a 10.8@130 on both kits
. Jason got out of the car and said that all its got. He said its sad that Jeremy's 302 went 10.6@130 on a 175 shot. Changed the H/C/I out fixed his nitrous systems. It was still efi at this point. Went back to the track and sprayed the 2nd kit {100shot} and ran a 10.6@132 on the first pass. Decided to spray both kits {200/100}. LOL!! 10.34@138!!! Looked like he spent the whole end of the race track in the limiter!! I told him before hand we would need a rpm extender to get to the end. Few days later he showed up with that direct port carbed setup from Brad Lind talking about "bye bye limter" That shit was a nightmare!!!! He spent so much money converting to to carb, trying to fix that junk direct port kit and then finally buying a nx gemini plate he could have just bought a rpm extender and put the money into getting the efi in the 9's. We took it to the track for the first time with the direct port and a plate. The direct port was jetted for a 200 shot. He would make a pass and it would take out plugs 3/8. Throw some plugs in it then it would take out 2/7 then 5/4 then 6/7. You would pull all the plugs and everything looked great then BAM!! strap gone!! I kept saying "something is wrong with this kit" It would make full passes without breaking up or missing out but you never knew what plugs would be fxcked. We changed solonoids,jets,bought new tips and moved them around. Nothing fixed it. Finally I made a bet with Jason that the plate on 100 shot was as fast as the direct on a 200. If I won we chunked the direct port. Car ran a 10.63@129 on the direct port and a 10.59@131 on the plate. He bought that conversion kit for the gemini 2 plate and the rest you know. Months later while working on the hayabusa's for a street bike shootout event I was looking at the remains off the direct port. Basicly the bent metal lines. I stuck a airhose to them and not alot came out. I spray carb cleaner threw and some crystalized white shxt came out. It was in the curves of the lines. Strange!!!
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07-09-2009, 08:06 PM
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 My best guess is whoever installed that nitrous system used the white thread tape on it and it clogged all the lines. That shit is a big NO NO with foggers. The first time we sprayed the black coupe it had all completel stock suspension and a 150shot. It went 10.7 @130 all over the place. After that we changed the suspension stuff, and upped the shot which got us to the 10.008 @138. And man PJ drove the shit out of that car over and over without hurting that tranny.I'll give ya'll one thing though ya'll sure as hell weren't scared of putting a bunch of spray to them. We pretty much got away with murder with that dry kit....thought we were spraying more than we actually were. |
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Run What You Brung was my thinking. I think thats why I got along with everyone! I never backed down from any race when the car was running but thats the reason it was always down lol!!! It was the strongest out of all the Brat Pack cars for sure. Why do you think I was put up agianest Mike Andrews. I use to race ralph motor to motor and walk away from him. I could never get it to do anything at the track but break when I tryed to get a serious time and believe me I tried. I put slicks on it twice and broke the trans both times NA. I tried to spray it and trashed 3rd. My nx race efi system soloniod locked up and blew my air meter off and then got ran over. Everytime the car hit the track it broke. I gave up on trying to get a good time and I would launch around 3500rpm cut a 1.70 60ft's and run consistent 11.4's 121-123 na. Never made a full pass on the dope. Just got tired of putting money into just to get a time that impressed everyone else. I have no regrets from back then except I wish I could have raced more.They were good times and wish I could go back and do more!! I wish I could have brought the new setup out!!! DAMN EX-WIFES!!! Quote:
We pulled alot of timing and we would up the fuel jets to put a conservative tune on them. Based on the plugs. Ya'll pushed those dry kits to insane times!! I dont have any idea how much yall were spraying. I think once we started going to the track and putting up numbers and traps everyone started guessing. I really never cared about it how much nitrous anyone was on or the setup. I was happy for everyone! Last edited by cobratom; 07-10-2009 at 09:59 AM. |
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07-10-2009, 12:53 PM
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[QUOTE=cobratom;629715]Run What You Brung was my thinking. I think thats why I got along with everyone! I never backed down from any race when the car was running but thats the reason it was always down lol!!! It was the strongest out of all the Brat Pack cars for sure. Why do you think I was put up agianest Mike Andrews. I use to race ralph motor to motor and walk away from him. I could never get it to do anything at the track but break when I tryed to get a serious time and believe me I tried. I put slicks on it twice and broke the trans both times NA. I tried to spray it and trashed 3rd. My nx race efi system soloniod locked up and blew my air meter off and then got ran over. Everytime the car hit the track it broke. I gave up on trying to get a good time and I would launch around 3500rpm cut a 1.70 60ft's and run consistent 11.4's 121-123 na. Never made a full pass on the dope. Just got tired of putting money into just to get a time that impressed everyone else. I have no regrets from back then except I wish I could have raced more.They were good times and wish I could go back and do more!! I wish I could have brought the new setup out!!! DAMN EX-WIFES!!![quote]
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You know I was told that was a big spoof by nx and nos. The whole 4an max 200 shot deal. When I ordered my NX Race Efi kit it came with a 4an feed line and it was rated to spray a single shot up to 300. When we ran the jason's and ralph car they had the same 4an feeds supplying both kits. I believe yall ran that on a small shot. Like I said when jason ran the 9.65@139 it was on the 200shot. It was at that grudge deal and he was suppose to race that guy from SA with the c5 408 on 2 stages and the guy blew a head gasket testing the car before they were suppose to line up. They paired him up with the coupe mike andrews owned after he sold the teal cobra. I believe the car had gone 10.50's and he said that he upped the shot. Freddy said no no no this is a 9 sec vs a 10 sec car. Jason got pissed and wanted to kill someone. When he pulled to the line and did that 6500RPM burnout I knew he was gonna try and blow it up. He pulled up and I leaned down to hook up the 2 stage button on the steering wheel but I just hooked up one wire I had been working on that car non stop and did not want him to do that I knew the car could beat the coupe on one kit. He pulled to the line and I saw him turn the switch on with the intent of leaving on all of it at 6500rpm. He cut the 1.33 and ran the 9.65@139. I think we would have been there more but he he had to much going on while trying to drive the car that he just over thought everything and made mistakes before.
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Whoa what a Night... a week... HELL a past few months. FINALLY after been kicked in the ass for so damn long trying to sort the issues out it FINALLY did it. It's been a long time in the making and words cant describe the feeling of tonight. It's been nearly 4 months since we've had anything worth talking about and even then there's wasn't shit to talk about. We've been fighting suspension and transmission gremlins over and over again. From day one we've been fighting the chassis with it just unloading the tires and being too soft. Then the tranny would puke fluid again and again. But Travis never wouldnt let it kick his ass. The last time at the track we thought we'd step it up and maybe the suspension would react better, NOPE!! A little better but it was still far off. Unfortunatly that night our friend hurt the motor in his street car. So Travis said WTF load your car in the trailor and i'll drive the mustang home, no big deal. Yeah so he drove it 40 miles to Angel's shop in San Antonio and dropped it off as Angel was nice enough to let him keep it there for a few days until he had time to drive down and pick it up.
So this week Travis took it back to the chassis shop after my dad and Joseph put some new gears in and dropped the tire size to 28's. Manny made a couple changes like it was nothing and said take the sumbitch to the track and put some fire to her LOL. Hell today was my birthday and everybody was asking me where i want to go eat and drink. Shit I said I dont know about yall but I'll be at the track, my birthday can wait. Sure am glad I did. Before tonight the fastest it has been was 9.56 @ 144 w/1.50 60ft in the 1/4. The night he had drove it to San Antonio it went 6.00 @118.95 in 1/8 but 60ft was 1.48 and he lifted after that. So needless to say those aren't anything thing to really talk about. Coming in and saying it COULD or SHOULD do this just isn't me. So finally I have some good progress to report. We took it back to the track with the same exact tuneup we didn't change a thing but put the MT 28x10.5 and the 3.73 in. This was only with 850psi bottle pressue and a pretty reasonable safe tuneup according to the plugs. 60ft.....1.29 1/8et...5.58 1/8mph..125 1/4et.....8.72 1/4mph...153 Does it have more in it on KILL...Yeah, but how much longer the C4 will hold is anybody's guess. It's not a world record by any means but to us finally having an 8sec slip is what our goal has been all along and to do with a 8.2deck SBF makes it a little more special. Only way I could describe tonight was You could kick me in the nuts and still couldn't wipe the small off my face. Hoepfully vid will be up later today!!!Sorry dont have any pics from tonight just a couple from a car show a couple months ago with some friends.   
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