Buy up MILs while you can

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 11:22 AM

You can no longer buy MILs or o2 sims, except for what stores still have in stock. FBI crack down. Sucks. BTW, EPA is making stops around dealerships to check emissions, so I guess we'll be seeing more tickets coming soon for those of us with O/R pipes.

2k4mk1 · 07-31-2007, 11:43 AM

Why would the FBI be interested in emissions??
Where did you get this info from??
Details

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 12:01 PM

the FBI is shutting down the production of systems which can bypass emission systems mandated by the US government. Now the FBI is said to have involvement, but that might not be true. The fact is that MIL eliminator production has ceased. I would love to hear different so if anyone has other info that'd be good.

2k4mk1 · 07-31-2007, 12:08 PM

So where did you get this information from??
Hear say or can you show a source??

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 12:15 PM

Just got off the phone with Steve from BBK and he confirmed that after they are sold out no more will be made. Steve is in Tech at BBK headquarters. # is 951-296-1771. I got this info from a family member of mine affiliated with the US gov.

bigred90gt · 07-31-2007, 12:15 PM

Fear not. For about $20 (including a new soldering iron) you can make a set of MIL eliminators.

This diagram came from Fordmuscle.com.

I made a set of these for my 01 GT and they worked like a champ.

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigred90gt

Fear not. For about $20 (including a new soldering iron) you can make a set of MIL eliminators.

This diagram came from Fordmuscle.com.

I made a set of these for my 01 GT and they worked like a champ.

we should "sticky" stuff like this.

jmblownws6 · 07-31-2007, 12:20 PM

News page for the Chrome Pony - Mustang site

http://www.usdoj.gov/enrd/Consent_Decrees/Casper/r_Casper's_Electronics_CDFinal.pdf

TheDan · 07-31-2007, 12:41 PM

Well that sucks pond water!

2k4mk1 · 07-31-2007, 01:20 PM

Well alrighty then Im glad I got cats and no need for MILS although I knew about the "build um urself" deal. Big Brother is watching and will spoil all our fun.
I was just curious as to where you had heard this thanks for the info

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2k4mk1

Well alrighty then Im glad I got cats and no need for MILS although I knew about the "build um urself" deal. Big Brother is watching and will spoil all our fun.
I was just curious as to where you had heard this thanks for the info

Absolutely sir. I have cats on mine, but you know the question came up today because I was going to delete them on my girl's Firebird. After all this, I guess we should just get ready to make power with cats.

**psiperformance** · 07-31-2007, 01:47 PM

IN reality there is absolutly nothing they can do to stop a company selling such a device if they simply add the words ..." for off road or racing use only " to every advertisment and product package.

Thats exactly how manufactures of off road exhaust get away with selling the exhaust systems to begin with that don't have cats.

the problem is they didn't do that so they are now geting owned for all the ones they sold previously.

Secondly that story is a joke with the so called estimations the instalation of 02 sims doesn't increase emisions .. it simply stops the computer from knowing that the emisions have increased.

The after cat 02 is not used for fuel calculations its just used for the on board diagnostics to see if the cats are doing their jobs..
so a car with these installed is not puting out any more polution then without it simple isnt letting the computer know that the cats are not installed / and or are malfunctioning.

i gaurentee you will simply see companies still selling them but labeling them as a off road racing use product.

**lazer96gt** · 07-31-2007, 03:52 PM

BBK won't be though. that's 100% for sure. they already label on their website as "off road use only". SLP has already removed their listings. same for Vortech. Maybe later they will sub out their MIL manufacturing over seas so that they can still be imported.

**PonyTx** · 07-31-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazer96gt

we should "sticky" stuff like this.

suck for ju.

Firstlady · 07-31-2007, 09:38 PM

maybe sticky somewhere else. This is not really lounge material.

**bandit** · 07-31-2007, 09:42 PM

Moved to General Tech

Poisoned Pony · 08-01-2007, 01:53 AM

do you need MIL's when using a Predator?

CrewChiefLite · 08-01-2007, 08:00 AM

First, it's the EPA that's cracking down, the FBI wouldn't be involved in environmental issues. Second, the EPA has done away with the "for offroad use only" safeguard. Third, the EPA has practically put an aftermarket company (Casper's Electronics, a popular company among the Buick folk) out of business for their sale of emissions-altering, or "defeat," devices, so of course BBK, Vortech, etc. are complying.

#07-490: 07-10-07 Federal Settlement Targets Illegal Emission Control “Defeat Devices” Sold for Autos

**lazer96gt** · 08-01-2007, 09:24 AM

you should write a book

**psiperformance** · 08-01-2007, 09:45 AM

lol
First caspers is NOT a "big compay" its a small time operation smaller then fuel injection specialties here in town that sells wiring harnesses

they don't have the money that vortech bbk etc etc would if they were to fight it.

The off road use only caveat will still apply.

Other wise there will be no such thing anywhere as custom tuning in the future as anyone with access to the computer tuning can do the same thing < turn off emissions > and that software then would be illegal to sell just like the 02 sims etc.

bbk vortech etc etc they removed them because they dont make enough money off them for the possible hassle to be worth it they would be a miniscule amount of sales comaparativly for those companies.

but you watch you will still be able to buy them from importers etc etc.

07-31-2007, 11:22 AM	#1
lazer96gt LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (5)	Buy up MILs while you can You can no longer buy MILs or o2 sims, except for what stores still have in stock. FBI crack down. Sucks. BTW, EPA is making stops around dealerships to check emissions, so I guess we'll be seeing more tickets coming soon for those of us with O/R pipes. __________________ 96 SVT#6858 of 7496 Click the link below. Inventory updated regularly. http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...um_records=100 210-658-6296 or call toll free 1-866-221-1190

07-31-2007, 11:43 AM	#2
2k4mk1 WOW Waaaayy too many beans last night!!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SanAntonio Posts: 5,674 Trader Rating: (1)	Why would the FBI be interested in emissions?? Where did you get this info from?? Details __________________ 04 Oxford White MACH1,5 SPD with IUP,K&NAircharger Borla Stingers,SLP Catted X pipe,Tri-ax,SCT Flashtune,Drilled/Slotted rotors all 4 corners 281 rwhp on Mustang Dyno,306 rwhp on a Dynojet 94 Black Lightning Daily Driver&85GT FACH1 Project under construction

07-31-2007, 12:01 PM	#3
lazer96gt LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (5)	the FBI is shutting down the production of systems which can bypass emission systems mandated by the US government. Now the FBI is said to have involvement, but that might not be true. The fact is that MIL eliminator production has ceased. I would love to hear different so if anyone has other info that'd be good. __________________ 96 SVT#6858 of 7496 Click the link below. Inventory updated regularly. http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...um_records=100 210-658-6296 or call toll free 1-866-221-1190 Last edited by lazer96gt : 07-31-2007 at 12:09 PM.

07-31-2007, 12:08 PM	#4
2k4mk1 WOW Waaaayy too many beans last night!!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SanAntonio Posts: 5,674 Trader Rating: (1)	So where did you get this information from?? Hear say or can you show a source?? __________________ 04 Oxford White MACH1,5 SPD with IUP,K&NAircharger Borla Stingers,SLP Catted X pipe,Tri-ax,SCT Flashtune,Drilled/Slotted rotors all 4 corners 281 rwhp on Mustang Dyno,306 rwhp on a Dynojet 94 Black Lightning Daily Driver&85GT FACH1 Project under construction

07-31-2007, 12:15 PM	#5
lazer96gt LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (5)	Just got off the phone with Steve from BBK and he confirmed that after they are sold out no more will be made. Steve is in Tech at BBK headquarters. # is 951-296-1771. I got this info from a family member of mine affiliated with the US gov. __________________ 96 SVT#6858 of 7496 Click the link below. Inventory updated regularly. http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...um_records=100 210-658-6296 or call toll free 1-866-221-1190

07-31-2007, 12:15 PM	#6
bigred90gt Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seabrook, TX Posts: 545 Trader Rating: (0)	Fear not. For about $20 (including a new soldering iron) you can make a set of MIL eliminators. This diagram came from Fordmuscle.com. I made a set of these for my 01 GT and they worked like a champ. Attached Thumbnails __________________ '90 GT Gutted and on blocks (white trash style). 06 F-150 STX - K&N and IMCO exhaust Rice Haters Club Member #128

07-31-2007, 12:20 PM	#8
jmblownws6 Just Race Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Braunfels Posts: 190 Trader Rating: (0)	caspers News page for the Chrome Pony - Mustang site http://www.usdoj.gov/enrd/Consent_Decrees/Casper/r_Casper's_Electronics_CDFinal.pdf __________________ My personal profile and my .02

07-31-2007, 12:41 PM	#9
TheDan sleepy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL Posts: 1,354 Trader Rating: (1)	Well that sucks pond water! __________________ I would like to personally thank the inventor of the Bikini -Dan

07-31-2007, 01:20 PM	#10
2k4mk1 WOW Waaaayy too many beans last night!!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SanAntonio Posts: 5,674 Trader Rating: (1)	Well alrighty then Im glad I got cats and no need for MILS although I knew about the "build um urself" deal. Big Brother is watching and will spoil all our fun. I was just curious as to where you had heard this thanks for the info __________________ 04 Oxford White MACH1,5 SPD with IUP,K&NAircharger Borla Stingers,SLP Catted X pipe,Tri-ax,SCT Flashtune,Drilled/Slotted rotors all 4 corners 281 rwhp on Mustang Dyno,306 rwhp on a Dynojet 94 Black Lightning Daily Driver&85GT FACH1 Project under construction

07-31-2007, 01:47 PM	#12
psiperformance LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609 Trader Rating: (1)	IN reality there is absolutly nothing they can do to stop a company selling such a device if they simply add the words ..." for off road or racing use only " to every advertisment and product package. Thats exactly how manufactures of off road exhaust get away with selling the exhaust systems to begin with that don't have cats. the problem is they didn't do that so they are now geting owned for all the ones they sold previously. Secondly that story is a joke with the so called estimations the instalation of 02 sims doesn't increase emisions .. it simply stops the computer from knowing that the emisions have increased. The after cat 02 is not used for fuel calculations its just used for the on board diagnostics to see if the cats are doing their jobs.. so a car with these installed is not puting out any more polution then without it simple isnt letting the computer know that the cats are not installed / and or are malfunctioning. i gaurentee you will simply see companies still selling them but labeling them as a off road racing use product. __________________ PSI Performance Solutions 210-655-6546 10811 nacogdoches road San Antonio TX 78217 cmr tuners and full service performance shop.

07-31-2007, 03:52 PM	#13
lazer96gt LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (5)	BBK won't be though. that's 100% for sure. they already label on their website as "off road use only". SLP has already removed their listings. same for Vortech. Maybe later they will sub out their MIL manufacturing over seas so that they can still be imported. __________________ 96 SVT#6858 of 7496 Click the link below. Inventory updated regularly. http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...um_records=100 210-658-6296 or call toll free 1-866-221-1190 Last edited by lazer96gt : 07-31-2007 at 03:56 PM.

07-31-2007, 09:38 PM	#15
Firstlady Blessed Again Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 4,233 Trader Rating: (0)	maybe sticky somewhere else. This is not really lounge material. __________________

07-31-2007, 09:42 PM	#16
bandit Can I has Procharger? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bulverde, TX Posts: 14,702 Trader Rating: (0)	Moved to General Tech __________________

08-01-2007, 01:53 AM	#17
Poisoned Pony Kiss my shiney butt Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 967 Trader Rating: (0)	do you need MIL's when using a Predator? __________________ 2000 GT black, 5-speed, wingless coupe mods: alittle bit of this, alittle bit of that

08-01-2007, 08:00 AM	#18
CrewChiefLite the wheel goes round Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College Station TX Posts: 2,404 Trader Rating: (4)	Some real tech... First, it's the EPA that's cracking down, the FBI wouldn't be involved in environmental issues. Second, the EPA has done away with the "for offroad use only" safeguard. Third, the EPA has practically put an aftermarket company (Casper's Electronics, a popular company among the Buick folk) out of business for their sale of emissions-altering, or "defeat," devices, so of course BBK, Vortech, etc. are complying. #07-490: 07-10-07 Federal Settlement Targets Illegal Emission Control “Defeat Devices” Sold for Autos __________________ Car Car Car Truck

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08-01-2007, 09:24 AM	#19
lazer96gt LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (5)	you should write a book __________________ 96 SVT#6858 of 7496 Click the link below. Inventory updated regularly. http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...um_records=100 210-658-6296 or call toll free 1-866-221-1190

08-01-2007, 09:45 AM	#20
psiperformance LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609 Trader Rating: (1)	lol First caspers is NOT a "big compay" its a small time operation smaller then fuel injection specialties here in town that sells wiring harnesses they don't have the money that vortech bbk etc etc would if they were to fight it. The off road use only caveat will still apply. Other wise there will be no such thing anywhere as custom tuning in the future as anyone with access to the computer tuning can do the same thing < turn off emissions > and that software then would be illegal to sell just like the 02 sims etc. bbk vortech etc etc they removed them because they dont make enough money off them for the possible hassle to be worth it they would be a miniscule amount of sales comaparativly for those companies. but you watch you will still be able to buy them from importers etc etc. __________________ PSI Performance Solutions 210-655-6546 10811 nacogdoches road San Antonio TX 78217 cmr tuners and full service performance shop.