Double your fuel mileage!!!!!!!!

[thesource]

With the increased price of regular diesel , even biodiesel is getting harder to make due to the increased demand for the raw materials used in making it . Buying it from a pump doesn't offer much in savings either pls its hard to find . I've basically parked my truck unless I have to use it . Those of you that know me know what I drive . Adding a fuel cell to it will make it even cheaper on the wallet . At this point , you have to do everything you can to reduce over head . Keeping that down allows to keep your prices down and that keeps things affordable to the customer .

[psiperformance]

so they do have it for carbed cars? nice! might have to check out for the 79 sixer.

someone needs to give these gas people a swift kick in the butt. they all deserve a stomping for screwing the world over.

will NOT do anything for a carbed car ..

the reason these work on late model cars is ast part throttle they read the 02 in the exhaust well this will indicate the car is much richer to the 02 then it iis and the car will then lean the engine out ..

your carb has no way of proactivly doing this at part throttle and there for you would require rejeting wich would make it dangerously lean at full throttle.

[1QUICKGT]

But since you have a diesel now, you can alway run the bio diesel and come out ahead.

Regular here is not at 3.75 a gallon, I have too run 93 octane due to my compression, which is about 4.09 a gallon here.

My general statement was really for the 87 octane users and what the news said.

Yeah I understood. I was just saying.

My wife does drive a 96 toyota Camry right now as her daily. I plan to install this kit and see what it really does.

I will post daily reports once I have the kit and get it installed. She generally puts 75-90 miles on that thing every day.

[psiperformance]

i notice your budy still has not posted a how to or any instructions .. after a ton of requests .. just makes one wonder if hes afraid to let others get using his system and not geting the results he claims

[1QUICKGT]

will NOT do anything for a carbed car ..

the reason these work on late model cars is ast part throttle they read the 02 in the exhaust well this will indicate the car is much richer to the 02 then it iis and the car will then lean the engine out ..

your carb has no way of proactivly doing this at part throttle and there for you would require rejeting wich would make it dangerously lean at full throttle.

YouTube - Vancouver, Canada: HHO in a pickup gets 28MPG, up from 12MPG

Does TBI count as a carb? I'm still looking at the moment but I watched a video of a guy putting one on a early 80's ford truck that had a HOLLEY carb on it and it worked.

[1QUICKGT]

i notice your budy still has not posted a how to or any instructions .. after a ton of requests .. just makes one wonder if hes afraid to let others get using his system and not geting the results he claims

Man if you don't believe it works then don't use it. No point in being negative about it. If some one wants to try it then let them and if it works then it works. But EVERY car I have seen it installed on it has worked.

I have a small fleet of cars as well, I have a 93 CARBED GT that I will install one on as well just to get my own personal results and I'll let ya know.

[12second5.0]

Dean, go ahead become a naysayer that is fine by me and we appreciate your input.

1QUICKGT, I'm looking forward to your personal results.

thesource, I'm looking forward to results as well.

[psiperformance]

no tbi does not count as a carb as there is still a 02 and the car still runs in closed loop and the 02 makes the change to the fuel input.

IT does work but it doesnt double your millage i have two friends who run these systems .. and they both gained between 4-6 mpg or about a 30 percent increase

the only way possible you MIGHT double your millage would be if you used a proactive form of engine tuning and run the car extremely lean thereby taking advantage of the energy of the hydrogen.

it wont work with a carb unless you rejet .. the reason this works is your displacing some fuel with hydrogen and there for need lesss gassoline for a given air fuel ratio .. your 02 sees this and reduces the cars fuel input to the engine at any given rpm and there for for any rpm over any given time less fuel is used to maintain a given air fuel ratio

also this allows you to run even leaner then normal due ot the high energy output and octane of hydrogen.

Thing is with a carb UNLESS you rejet the carb it will still put the same amount of fuel into the engine with or without this so there for you will not see any gain in millage as you are still putting the same amount of fuel into the engine..

also this produces water as a byproduct of its combustion so exspect fast corroding exhaust systems and corosion on exhaust valves and anything else iron or steel in the system.

im not saying it doesn't work but don't exspect to double your millage just by bolting one of these into your car

[BlackSunshine01]

ive noticed that the one gerline is using has its own computer system on it. but the build your owns i havent seen mention any thing about it. can you run one with out it?

[aguilarf]

The "computer " on one of them is only an air fuel monitoring gauge like the one below. I haven't run across any yet online that use a computer to do anything. Do you have a link to a page that shows one, I'd like to see what it does.

You can also connect a potentiometer to a motor contorller to control the amount of volts to increase or decrease hydrogen gas production, but that is a manual swich, not computer controlled.

Air/Fuel Ratio Monitoring
In able to get good miles per gallon gains, in a newer fuel injected engine, you will also need to monitor your Air/Fuel Ratios that your car's computer puts out. There are many ways to do this, the best and least expensive is the "Smart Fuel Mixture Display", a dashboard mount box. Other ways is to install A EFIE, or a ScanGaugeII, it will over ride your "Check Engine Light". You will need to lean your fuel consumption, the addition of a good egas producing hydrogen/oxygen cellwill keep your engine temp.s cool!! We highly recommend watching your temp. gauge when first installed, to see it will work for your car

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DC pulsed motor Controller
A simple solder kit for $22.00plus shipping. It can take 12 volts up to 25 amps, it has a 555 mosfet that pulses the signal much like AC does already. The pulsing action at the right frequency (about 8, on a pot. 1-10) helps in more egas production. The Hydro Booster will work without it, but to add more egas what the hay. You hook up a Pot, to the circuit and you dial it in till it bubbles the most. This is why clear filter housing is good for experimenting, because you can watch the bubble action and show friends. They won't last forever, much like SS 4" pipe would be best for long time applications

[thunderchicken]

I wish only bad things happen to all oil company execs........

It is also those stupid asses in washington that won't let us drill our own supply,or build more refinerys so we can take care of our own energy prices and needs....%60 of our oil is imported. Thats bull shit i think...It's all politics,and money...

[thunderchicken]

So what is the $1500 price tag at beldons for??For the do it your selfer's,isn't messing with hydrogen fuel extremely dangerous?? If you don't know what your doing ..i would imagine....

[thesource]

So what is the $1500 price tag at beldons for??For the do it your selfer's,isn't messing with hydrogen fuel extremely dangerous?? If you don't know what your doing ..i would imagine....

Its only in hydrogen gas form for a split second . As quickly as the gas is being produced , the engine is sucking it in . The only way I could see it being dangerous is if you were trying to store it in a holding tank for future use .

[thesource]

It is also those stupid asses in washington that won't let us drill our own supply,or build more refinerys so we can take care of our own energy prices and needs....%60 of our oil is imported. Thats bull shit i think...It's all politics,and money...

Its complete fucking bull shit . My step dad is a rough neck and they haven't been drilling for oil in Texas for years . Right now they are drilling for natural gas and have been for at least the past 5 years or so that I know of .

[psiperformance]

my parents are CRYING they sold 2000 acres of land that had 500 oil wells on it produceing about 1500 barrels a month they sold it when oil was at 60 per barrel .. and with current prices OMFG lol

they are wishing they never sold it now.

btw itsw not the oil company execs causing the price rise

its opec refusing to increase production and so there are investors speculating and buying up oil futures and thats driving the price higher NOT the oil execs

[thesource]

my parents are CRYING they sold 2000 acres of land that had 500 oil wells on it produceing about 1500 barrels a month they sold it when oil was at 60 per barrel .. and with current prices OMFG lol

they are wishing they never sold it now.

btw itsw not the oil company execs causing the price rise

its opec refusing to increase production and so there are investors speculating and buying up oil futures and thats driving the price higher NOT the oil execs

I'm sure no one thought oil would be as high as it is a year or two ago . My old stock brokers family is in the oil business and they were stoked about oil hitting $55.00 a barrel back a few years ago . He said they were producing about 300 barrels a day and were making a killing on their wells . I'd imagine things are a whole lot better now days for his family . I have not spoke to him in a few years now .

[BlackSunshine01]

[QUOTE=aguilarf;477067]The "computer " on one of them is only an air fuel monitoring gauge like the one below. I haven't run across any yet online that use a computer to do anything. Do you have a link to a page that shows one, I'd like to see what it does.

no. i just heard them mention it in the news clip.

[jmblownws6]

This is junk and they could have done a cleaner install! GEEZZZZZZZZZZ!

[BlackSunshine01]

what about it is junk? i understand the untidy install part.

[jmblownws6]

Maybe you should google it. Constant adjusting,Lean condtions etc.

[d4rkpri35t]

Maybe you should google it. Constant adjusting,Lean condtions etc.

Maybe you should google a little better. There's multiple systems and from what I've researched is that it takes a little tweaking and that's really about it. Alot of people say it leans out, but with a decent tune and running everything CLEAN that there's a horsepower increase. Google MagDrive SuperGen for example..

Anyways, anybody trying this yet? Or plan on trying it out?

[jmblownws6]

Maybe you should google a little better. There's multiple systems and from what I've researched is that it takes a little tweaking and that's really about it. Alot of people say it leans out, but with a decent tune and running everything CLEAN that there's a horsepower increase. Google MagDrive SuperGen for example..

Anyways, anybody trying this yet? Or plan on trying it out?

Lean cruise is fine. But you are depending on a item that can fail easily from what I have read and destory your engine. Being that you are compensating H2 for gas in a AFR mixture. More power to you if you get it to work. But the guy in town selling that kit for 3500 is LOL. There 800 on the net and easy to install. Kinda like a meth kit.

[psiperformance]

like i said they are efective in gaining about 30 percent fuel millage on a driver that you just cruise at part throttle in but i would NEVER put one on a performance car .. for starters the h2 level is never constant it constantly changes so there realy is no way to "tune" for power by useing the octane of the h2 etc

[thesource]

But the guy in town selling that kit for 3500 is LOL. There 800 on the net and easy to install. Kinda like a meth kit.

You have to keep in mind the type of clients Steve G. has at Cambridge Automotive . I use to sell a lot of parts to them . Most of his customers go to him because they listen to his radio show . They believe everything out of his mouth . He is the equivalent to a John Haage when it comes to automotive things . The guy even writes books about this stuff and sells the hell out of them too . He can ask that amount and GET IT . Its just anything else , you will have some that blindly follow and other that do their own research into things and try to save a buck doing it them self .

$3500 is way too high but so is $800 if you know how to do it your self . Its only worth what they can get for it . Obvisously , his customers are willing to pay it .

[thunderchicken]

Its only in hydrogen gas form for a split second . As quickly as the gas is being produced , the engine is sucking it in . The only way I could see it being dangerous is if you were trying to store it in a holding tank for future use .

I see...

[thunderchicken]

Its complete fucking bull shit . My step dad is a rough neck and they haven't been drilling for oil in Texas for years . Right now they are drilling for natural gas and have been for at least the past 5 years or so that I know of .

Yup,politics and money....I have a friend that lives out in somerset,he told me that he was greatful going with electric appliances. He use to use propane. He told me that his nieghbor still does,and when he went to fill his tank,that price had almost doubled from this time last year.....

[psiperformance]

what would be extremely funy to me is if someone reports taht radio show guy and his shopp to the EPA he could get a 50 thousand dollar fine for installing non emisions legal equipment on a motor vehicle. .

whenever we install something not epa legal we clearly state to the customer and list on the invoice its for off road use only .

hes telling people to use this on the street and since its not epa legal and does increase emisions he could get a huge fine.

[thatdavidkid]

what would be extremely funy to me is if someone reports taht radio show guy and his shopp to the EPA he could get a 50 thousand dollar fine for installing non emisions legal equipment on a motor vehicle. .

whenever we install something not epa legal we clearly state to the customer and list on the invoice its for off road use only .

hes telling people to use this on the street and since its not epa legal and does increase emisions he could get a huge fine.

i hate to argue with you dean, but have you seen one of these cars run on an emissions dyno?? the last one i ran in here produced LESS THAN A THIRD of the hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide than it did before...

[psiperformance]

it will increase some emisions and decrease others due to the different chemical makeup of h2

[thatdavidkid]

it will increase some emisions and decrease others due to the different chemical makeup of h2

i'll pay more attention next time, but it passed the sniffer test for a car of it's weight with flying colors!

[12second5.0]

Any updates from you guys that have bought and installed or built kits?

[psiperformance]

i'll pay more attention next time, but it passed the sniffer test for a car of it's weight with flying colors!

sniffer test by who ? the guy trying to sell the kits ? heh

it wouldnt pass visual inspection alone it would fail on that bassis at any real inspection station.

[12second5.0]

Any updates on the install of the kit 1quickgt ?

[Wiked]

Yup,politics and money....I have a friend that lives out in somerset,he told me that he was greatful going with electric appliances. He use to use propane. He told me that his nieghbor still does,and when he went to fill his tank,that price had almost doubled from this time last year.....

I can vouch for that shit. I live in somerset and in less than 4 months the damn price went from $2 a gallon to $2.75 a gallon.


I havent read the thread though so i cant contribute anything else besides this... I was told about putting a kit in diesels so you can use vegetable oil to get better gas mileage... and ive seen it, and I will be doing it if its still around in a couple of years.

[06GT_Stallion]

I can vouch for that shit. I live in somerset and in less than 4 months the damn price went from $2 a gallon to $2.75 a gallon.


I havent read the thread though so i cant contribute anything else besides this... I was told about putting a kit in diesels so you can use vegetable oil to get better gas mileage... and ive seen it, and I will be doing it if its still around in a couple of years.

about the diesl stuff. not sure about the vegetable oil but I know they have systems that you can get any oil like from resturants and such and make your own diesl fuel.

[96greengt]

You should not post if you do not know WTF you are talking about.


Plenty of people use veg. oil and old used cooking oil, same properties, same benefits, same usage....

[Wiked]

You should not post if you do not know WTF you are talking about.

Is this to me or Ryan

[Agent Jones]

Is this to me or Ryan

I am
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sure he was talking about Ryan aka Mr. know it all

[96greengt]

Is this to me or Ryan

To Ryan, hence my post after his, if it was meant for you Juan, you'd know.

[Wiked]

To Ryan, hence my post after his, if it was meant for you Juan, you'd know.

Making sure it wasn't directed to me in any way.