It has been brought to my attention.......

[12second5.0]

We have several people that use LSS to sell things for their "business". They offer either their services, parts, or are selling cars. They have yet to step up and become a sponsor or vendor although they have benefitted from this place. I personally am getting very tired of this. I think we have a great group of sponsors and vendors at this time. They all stepped up to the plate and have in so many ways are providing us a site to enjoy. I do not think it is fair to them that these "moochers" exist on here and continue this practice. I am not gonna name the names but you know exactly who you are.

I would like to hear some feedback from our sponsors and vendors regarding this subject as well as you peeps. Let's keep this on topic.

[Graves]

Hmm. Well, if the perps aren't sponsors/vendors, give 'em a vacation. PERMANENTLY.

[RaceRat]

Yes, it's been going on for a long time.
No, it's not right.

[Dstang]

We have several people that use LSS to sell things for their "business". They offer either their services, parts, or are selling cars. They have yet to step up and become a sponsor or vendor although they have benefitted from this place. I personally am getting very tired of this. I think we have a great group of sponsors and vendors at this time. They all stepped up to the plate and have in so many ways are providing us a site to enjoy. I do not think it is fair to them that these "moochers" exist on here and continue this practice. I am not gonna name the names but you know exactly who you are.

I would like to hear some feedback from our sponsors and vendors regarding this subject as well as you peeps. Let's keep this on topic.

I think you guys have the power in your hands to stop this. They know they are in the wrong and if they do not want to step up and become sponser/vendor than like Graves said give them a permanent vacation.

[12second5.0]

Yes, I do have that power but I also do not know each and every one of the so called "businesses". You guys on here can help by either reporting the post or PM any of us mods so we can look into this. I want to do the right thing by making this a better place for the ones that matter.

[04Roush2]

I've seen this going on

[RuthlessGT]

Yes, I do have that power but I also do not know each and every one of the so called "businesses". You guys on here can help by either reporting the post or PM any of us mods so we can look into this. I want to do the right thing by making this a better place for the ones that matter.

Thank you! Man I been wanting to say some shit about those peeps.
WILCO

[Jeff]

Thank you for addressing this Larry.

I think what you guys (the members) need to keep in mind is this: I understand that some of these people that are selling things without becoming a sponsor or vendor might be directly benefiting you by giving you a cheap product or service under the radar... however you need to think about the big picture here. The more this happens, the less likely we will be able to keep good Sponsors. Why would a company be willing to pay me for advertising if we are allowing other people to advertise their products or services for free? The money made from our Sponsors and Vendors is what pays the bills to keep LSS up and running... and most importantly FREE to our members.

It is not cheap to run this site. There is a monthly cost associated with keeping this site hosted. If you guys, the members, wish to continue to see LSS as a free website/club, please do your part by supporting our Sponsors and Vendors and not buying products/services from members that are clearly running a business and making a profit off of this site without giving anything back.

-jeff

[EZ2SPD]

HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD :p

[JCP281]

Werd. This stuff has been going on for years with some people.

[12second5.0]

Again, I need the people of LSS's help. I do not know of every "offender". Please report the post and or PM any of our staff.......

[BigJnSA]

Again, I need the people of LSS's help. I do not know of every "offender". Please report the post and or PM any of our staff.......

sounds like you need your old avatar back!

[12second5.0]

sounds like you need your old avatar back!

I was told it "offended" people......

[Torquer]

List the suspected offenders and they can either pay to play or stop....I see alot of vague here....list the people...so i dont buy for someone without knowing.

And another thing I sell alot of parts from my personal cars --- If the site would rather me pay a vendor fee of some kind...so long as its fair I am fine with that

[BigJnSA]

I was told it "offended" people......

i found it and your current one is pretty well interchangeable!

back to selling out our fellow members!

[12second5.0]

List the suspected offenders and they can either pay to play or stop....I see alot of vague here....list the people...so i dont buy for someone without knowing.

And another thing I sell alot of parts from my personal cars --- If the site would rather me pay a vendor fee of some kind...so long as its fair I am fine with that

If you are constantly selling cars, parts or services on LSS for profit then I would suggest becoming a vendor or sponsor.

[Torquer]

If you are constantly selling cars, parts or services on LSS for profit then I would suggest becoming a vendor or sponsor.

What is this profit you speak of???

I lose my ass on nearly every deal! Thanks for clarifying.

Now call the bastages out by name....I hate digging around for "Mod edits"

[rford426]

I know what your talkn bout

[12second5.0]

What is this profit you speak of???

I lose my ass on nearly every deal! Thanks for clarifying.

Now call the bastages out by name....I hate digging around for "Mod edits"

Maybe your intent for profit? You were a sponsor before?

[Bigdrumma22]

List the suspected offenders and they can either pay to play or stop....I see alot of vague here....list the people...so i dont buy for someone without knowing.

And another thing I sell alot of parts from my personal cars --- If the site would rather me pay a vendor fee of some kind...so long as its fair I am fine with that

What is this profit you speak of???

I lose my ass on nearly every deal! Thanks for clarifying.

Now call the bastages out by name....I hate digging around for "Mod edits"

Yeah, I agree with Torquer. I know I have quite a few listings right now but it's all just personal used parts that I have no need for. I can delete the non car related stuff if I must, but I thought that's what the misc. section is for. Some listings are new and some are really old, and just stuff I wanna get rid of. I'm posting this before someone possibly mentions me, because I'm guessing it's possible. I'd say if anything, maybe possibly make a limit to the number of active classified ads you can have as a non sponsor/vendor. I know others are offering "services" as mentioned, so for stuff like that with repetion and profit to be made should definitely be monitored. I've been considering "silver star"... is that a worthy trade off if you feel I've offended?

[T5killa]

Yeah, I agree with Torquer. I know I have quite a few listings right now but it's all just personal used parts that I have no need for. I can delete the non car related stuff if I must, but I thought that's what the misc. section is for. Some listings are new and some are really old, and just stuff I wanna get rid of. I'm posting this before someone possibly mentions me, because I'm guessing it's possible. I'd say if anything, maybe possibly make a limit to the number of active classified ads you can have as a non sponsor/vendor. I know others are offering "services" as mentioned, so for stuff like that with repetion and profit to be made should definitely be monitored. I've been considering "silver star"... is that a worthy trade off if you feel I've offended?

I don't think they are refering to you selling stuff when you clean out your garage bro. I think we all know of a few people off the top of our head who are selling different cars, parts and services on the forum and its what they do for a living but aren't paying.

[12second5.0]

I don't think they are refering to you selling stuff when you clean out your garage bro. I think we all know of a few people off the top of our head who are selling different cars, parts and services on the forum and its what they do for a living but aren't paying.

Pretty much! When I see the same people selling stuff off of 10 different cars, Constantly selling cars, soliciting their services to members then that is the person that IMO is a business.

[Bigdrumma22]

I don't think they are refering to you selling stuff when you clean out your garage bro. I think we all know of a few people off the top of our head who are selling different cars, parts and services on the forum and its what they do for a living but aren't paying.

Pretty much! When I see the same people selling stuff off of 10 different cars, Constantly selling cars, soliciting their services to members then that is the person that IMO is a business.

Just makin' sure because I'm willing to cooperate if necessary, but I definitely have no "business" and no "profit".

[12second5.0]

Just makin' sure because I'm willing to cooperate if necessary, but I definitely have no "business" and no "profit".

You are good. Don't sweat it....... Just help police and report the ones that are. I don''t rat out people.......

[raymond8698]

I have pmed AdRock and John #21 on things I have seen, not fair to our sponsors that pay

[2k4mk1]

I have bought and sold items on here. I think the classifieds is a good source for INDIVIDUALS to sell a few parts here and there and pick up some when needed. Now these "peeps" that are constantly listing cars and parts for sale that way exceed what I would consider "normal" should get the ban stick or pay up. I definetly patronize the sponsors on here and feel the classifieds is a good source for parts etc. however I also feel that some peeps are abusing the system and they need to pay up or move on............

[12second5.0]

I have pmed AdRock and John #21 on things I have seen, not fair to our sponsors that pay

Feel free to PM me as well Raymond.

[raymond8698]

Feel free to PM me as well Raymond.

no problem Larry, great idea on posting this thread

[12second5.0]

I have bought and sold items on here. I think the classifieds is a good source for INDIVIDUALS to sell a few parts here and there and pick up some when needed. Now these "peeps" that are constantly listing cars and parts for sale that way exceed what I would consider "normal" should get the ban stick or pay up. I definetly patronize the sponsors on here and feel the classifieds is a good source for parts etc. however I also feel that some peeps are abusing the system and they need to pay up or move on............

I feel if they "the businesses" want something totally free they can use Craigslist. The biggest reason why I and the other mods and admin are doing this is to be totally fair to our sponsors. I feel this is a slap in their face when this shit goes on.

[BHAM]

Here is my .02.....

I don't mind being a sponsor for this site at all, but a fukcing pm would be nice instead you post that shit up on a thread..... And hell yeah I'm upset. I'm honest and don't bullshit people, I post my phone number on damn near every ad. I have nothing to hide and willing to talk to anyone. So mods or whoever pm me of call me. 512-573-2883 and please Have some common courtesy . I have seen sites come and go because of this stuff, austinareastangs is one of them.
I'm willing to become a sponsor but the dues should be realistic to the minor income from this site.... If you guys think I'm making any sort of living off this you are mistaken. All of these parts I sell are leftover stuff from projects I have, or portwork that I'm doing. Most of the stuff I trade anyway?

[Wiked]

back to selling out our fellow members!

LOL


Good points, so we can list as much stuff as we want as long as its not for profit? More like garage sale stuff?

[Wiked]

If you guys think I'm making any sort of living off this you are mistaken. All of these parts I sell are leftover stuff from projects I have, or portwork that I'm doing. Most of the stuff I trade anyway?

There is the grey area I was wondering about.

[Jeff]

I'm willing to become a sponsor but the dues should be realistic to the minor income from this site.... If you guys think I'm making any sort of living off this you are mistaken. All of these parts I sell are leftover stuff from projects I have, or portwork that I'm doing. Most of the stuff I trade anyway?

Have you ever paid for advertising anywhere else? $360/year is dirt cheap considering the target rich environment we have here. You're selling Mustang parts to a community of Mustang enthusiasts.

If you have ever tried to advertise on Google through their Google Adwords product, you'll find that you can easily pay up to $300 per week to get similar results.

Look, I'm not trying to get rich off this site. I have a full time job as well as several side jobs that I work just to make a living. The Sponsorship money on here pays the bills to keep the site running and that's about it.

The $360/year price has been the same price since we started accepting Sponsors about 6 years ago. We have grown 100x since then and I have not increased the price. So if you do not feel that is a fair price, I have to strongly disagree.

-jeff

[BHAM]

Have you ever paid for advertising anywhere else? $360/year is dirt cheap considering the target rich environment we have here. You're selling Mustang parts to a community of Mustang enthusiasts.

If you have ever tried to advertise on Google through their Google Adwords product, you'll find that you can easily pay up to $300 per week to get similar results.

Look, I'm not trying to get rich off this site. I have a full time job as well as several side jobs that I work just to make a living. The Sponsorship money on here pays the bills to keep the site running and that's about it.

The $360/year price has been the same price since we started accepting Sponsors about 6 years ago. We have grown 100x since then and I have not increased the price. So if you do not feel that is a fair price, I have to strongly disagree.

-jeff

I was a sponsor with AAS and CTS.......

[JCP281]

So if you were a sponsor there, why not be one here? The market here is far better than a lot of national sites iv seen let alone local sites.

You've obviously felt the need to become a sponsor on other sites, so why is LSS any different?(other than your issue with the price)

[BHAM]

So if you were a sponsor there, why not be one here? The market here is far better than a lot of national sites iv seen let alone local sites.

You've obviously felt the need to become a sponsor on other sites, so why is LSS any different?(other than your issue with the price)

the amount of business I got from cts and aas didn't cut the mustard. I was assuming the same thing here.

You know, come to mention ,I've never even looked at the sponsors on this site other than mike( the source) . I never came to a Stang forum to pay full price on anything!

Don't get me wrong this is one of the best sites still around by far. And I love it. I feel like I'm being singled out on this matter

[Torquer]

I was a sponsor with AAS and CTS.......

Is there a point to the statement I quoted?

Your rant post was uncalled for...especially since no one has named a name here. You did more damage to yourself than anyone here..

Bottom line...you were selling a service (porting) and further you were claiming Thomas Moss results without testing your own port jobs...so while you may be helping folks - you are also potentially misleading some by making claims that another company produced - not your work

[Darren]

We have several people that use LSS to sell things for their "business". They offer either their services, parts, or are selling cars. They have yet to step up and become a sponsor or vendor although they have benefitted from this place. I personally am getting very tired of this. I think we have a great group of sponsors and vendors at this time. They all stepped up to the plate and have in so many ways are providing us a site to enjoy. I do not think it is fair to them that these "moochers" exist on here and continue this practice. I am not gonna name the names but you know exactly who you are.

I would like to hear some feedback from our sponsors and vendors regarding this subject as well as you peeps. Let's keep this on topic.

Id like to do another 6 months this summer. Think you can talk Jeff into it? Perhaps he was just angry at the time when he said he wouldnt let me sponsor anymore.

[Jeff]

Id like to do another 6 months this summer. Think you can talk Jeff into it? Perhaps he was just angry at the time when he said he wouldnt let me sponsor anymore.

Darren, I think we can agree that was a sour deal from the beginning. It's water under the bridge. Let me know when you're ready and we'll talk.

[drewskie68]

the amount of business I got from cts and aas didn't cut the mustard. I was assuming the same thing here.

You know, come to mention ,I've never even looked at the sponsors on this site other than mike( the source) . I never came to a Stang forum to pay full price on anything!

Don't get me wrong this is one of the best sites still around by far. And I love it. I feel like I'm being singled out on this matter

I dont think Larry meant to single you out by any means, I havent gone into your porting thread so i will stay out of that matter, BUT i can tell you off the top of my head i know of a couple other people this thread is pointed towards..