[mustangluver98]

Glad to hear that you are happy with Lethal's work! They are a great group of guys there! Also, happy to hear that your car is up and running what it should be running!

[FnSweet06]

w3rd...when ya gonna take it out to the track??

[Lethal Performance]

There is no cold air intake. It is the supplied intake hat. The customer is happy and that is the end result. Plain simple and to the point.

[blwn306]

cool man glad you had good thing with them...

[STANGER_SC]

WOW...such a response. Many PM's and many congratulatory remarks...I appreciate them all from everyone. It has been frustrating, but I really am a patient guy so no biggie. I will attempt to respond to some of the questions and statements relayed so far. Please, get some popcorn or better yet…crack open a cold one.

I drove for over a year with the car that way because attempts to fix the problem did not work. It ran like crap…but still sounded good and looked good…and I did not have the money at the time to try and do pricey replacements.

Dean at PSI did do what he could to try and help fix the problem. He does stand behind his work.

This is the bottom line: After a year and a almost a half and multiple people and shops scratching their heads I tried to be frugal (without spending hundreds and thousands on replacements and diagnosis times) It is now realized that the whole problem began the next day after the install and the belt shredded. Bottom line is...the shredded belt ripped wiring harness wires and caused electrical damage. We never knew it then but No tune, alternator, new intercooler, coil packs, fuel pump(s), upper and lower cam shaft position sensors, etc would have fixed that. I could still drive the car...just surging and power loss was the main symptoms.

I did drive the car anyways. Just never at “full throttle”…of course I could not really do full throttle so I knew it would not damage the engine. It just sounded mean lol.

The last Dyno of 220?HP at Dyno Day at PSI was conducive to having another diagnosis from PSI the following week. I already knew the car was not running where it should. That diagnosis was that the intercooler was leaking water into the intake. Finally the solution to my problems the whole time! So Dean drained and removed the intercooler. He tested it, said it was defective, and did try and get me a new one but Vortech said no. I picked the car up with the old intercooler re-installed and drained of all water. But the symptoms were still there, and even worse because I was then experiencing detonation for some reason. I figured he tried to tune it out by increasing the fuel/air ratio. I did not know any better so I drove the car anyways with an empty intercooler for about a month and a half trying to figure how to come up with a plan to get the money for a new intercooler ($800) or a new system all together (Air-Air).

I went to Lethal initially to install a new alternator. The alternator was thought to be the cause of the problems I was experiencing, so Ford replaced it under warranty. The new alternator did not fix anything. But, if Ford offered to give me a brand new one for free I took the opportunity. In addition to my alternator, Ford also replaced my throttle body and MAF Sensor, all under warranty. I took it to Lethal Performance to have the alternator installed. That is where they took the time to diagnose my problem after installing the alternator for me. I did not pay them for the several hours with about half their people all standing and fiddling around the hood of my car. They all had input and ideas and I was not even paying them for that. Not saying that I encourage shops to do that for everyone because they are trying to make a living, but they did for me. And I appreciate that. After a while, they suggested getting the PCM checked, and to bring it by some time for further testing.

The next day, I had Ford check the PCM...something that most aftermarket tuners are unable to check due to high tech gadgetry. Sure enough they indeed stated that they were 95% sure there was my problem due to some strange hard fault codes on their computer. Furthermore, the codes from the BRAND NEW alternator were the same as my old one that was just replaced. I asked Ford to replace it and the PCM was replaced for me at cost minus labor, to my surprise ( just $550). After the new PCM….I was excited to hear when the Ford tech said all of the “hard faults” were no longer present on their scanner…. WOOHOO! But it was still running very, very rich on fuel.

I returned to Lethal Performance for further diagnosis 2 days later. The initial tune was horrible and out-of-whack. Even the surging and loss of power were still present. Dyno tune after dyno tune…and 2 days later my SC Stang went from 220hp to 451hp like I said earlier. It is now a very responsive street monster and I do not want any more HP than I have now. It is perfect for a daily driven street Stang, IMO.

Furthermore, I do not want to be inflammatory…but I was not told to have the ECU checked by Ford months ago. I was told by PSI to have my coil packs tested by Ford. The coil packs in my car right now are the coil packs that were originally in Dean’s 05 Stang. He thought mine were bad and did install them and give them to me free. But the same problem persisted. If I had known to get my ECU checked…trust me I would have. Even Ford would not have thought to check the ECU…it was a suggestion I made to them during the diagnosis process.

An earlier diagnosis would have been prime to get my intercooler replaced within the 3 month…or even 1 year warrantee replacement window by Vortech. But it was obviously NOT my intercooler as the one in my car is the one and the same as the one stated defective by PSI. If it is indeed defective, I can not imagine what my Stang would do with a proper intercooler.

Lastly, anyone thinking of getting a blower on a 05+ do not think this is the typical problem experienced. Most installs obviously go smoothly. Success and failure stories happen all the time, as with any vehicle and any MOD. I guess I can look on the bright side. Due to the fact I could never give full power potential on my Stang…there are many, many “gently used” miles on mine so far lol!

I will say I will NEVER go with a Diablo Tuner again…I am now SCT all the way. The SCT tuner conversion from the Diablo helped nicely with the tune. Not to mention…Diablo is so damn slow to load tunes it is ridiculous lol.

Again, Thank you Lethal Performance.

[STANGER_SC]

Originally Posted by psiperformance

I felt I did.
As it is well known this car was done by us in the first place and I wanted it known that Jeremys problems did not stem from our work at all and we had gone out of our way on many occasions to help and try to solve his issues

That and the way the first post reads it seems to make out that none of the other shops treated him well or went out of their way for him.

We put probly 15 hours of free labor into that vehcile diagnosing and checking and replacing things that he was under the impresion was the problem without charging to do so.

I told jeremy probly 15 times over the last year his alternator needed to be looked at due to the well known TSB on this very issue and his ecu might have a issue due to the way his car was acting and that the sensors
< wich is all the ecu said was wrong >
were fine even replaced them with new units for free to put him at ease that this was not the problem

The fact he never followed up and had the ecu checked was not our fault I simply did not want the wrong impression made about our shop that we were in any way at fault for his issues.

The very term horrible tune is ludicrous his tune was absolulty PERFECT before his ecu went out he made 438 rwhp on 93 octane with the stock induction and had a table flat 11.8-1 air fuel.

The ecu was bad and that was the stem of his problems.. your dyno tune made only 13 more rwhp then ours and you improved his inlet pipeing.. so to say his tune was horrible is rediculous.

I can provide the dyno graphs showing the power out put and the air fuel and the timing numbers proving the tune was spot on..

having a bad ecu does not = a horrible tune..

I can understand his frustration but i just wanted people to know the whole story.

I am not sure if this was meant to make me look ignorant; but I will be the first, or rather the second, to say that I am. I did not want this to go the way it obviously has. I just wanted to thank Lethal Performance...that is all.

First of all, I am the paying customer ($5700) with no ability or knowledge to do the things that get me to my desired goal of 450HP and a sub 13 second car. I will admit that.

Secondly, the "suggestions" I made to PSI were after months of searching and researching the problems I (and as my preferred Shop you) was experiencing using prominant websites that offered suggestions. I tried to help and be patient rather than be the "problem after the sale". tried to use the patient "If it is not fixed, try and suggest a fix to the problem" mindset. Sorry it was inaccurate. But obviously, the diagnosis I received DID NOT WORK. I also saw where someone on other blog sites had people experienced similar problems, and did X to fix them. Your 15 hours were spent using suggestions from your customer that "was under the impression" were the problem. Experience and knowledge would have negated the inexperienced customers suggestions from the start if they were inaccurate. Rather, a productive suggestion or reaction would have been good. Even a simple "I have no idea...go somewhere else" would have been excepted.

Thirdly, the warrantied alternator from Ford WAS also replaced by you last year at a cost of $100+ labor. Immediately after starting the vehicle the same symptoms as always were present. Obviously that suggestion was not it.

Fourthly, Ford would have never checked the actual ECU unless asked to do so. You stated to check the COIL PACKS. Saying that "I never followed up and had the ECU checked" is absolute BS. The possibilities of that screwing up, and the coil packs as well, are very minimal, and not part of a typical Ford diagnosis (As even stated by Ford). It was due to a power surge probably associated with the poor quality of the belt or whatever you (or rather I) received with the kit. I am not qualified to comment on "wether the belt was installed properly" or not.

Fifthly...if there is such a thing....I MYSELF, not Lethal, stated the tune was horrible. I did not say YOU were a horrible tuner. You obviously tried to compensate the experienced problems by tuning them out with the tuner. Once the mechanical/electrical issues were solved, obviously and expectantly the tune went WAY SOUTH (extremely RICH). The tune WAS modified multiple times by you after re-installing a new belt...was it or was it not?

Lastly, my frustration was high and I am just relieved it did not take thousands of dollars to fix. PSI did help me by trying to fix the problems I was having. The exposed wires were fixed by you using electrical tape and poor quality electrical connectors. I had to pay 150 bucks to have the whole area professionally placed back together to be mechanically and visually proper many months later at Murillo Motorsports, and they did a good job doing that.

In conclusion, this entire thread was meant to simply thank Lethal for helping me out and also giving me a crazy power reading. They were patient, helpful suggestive, and real.

I will say PSI did try and help in many ways, but you were unable to diagnose and fix this problem. I was EXTREMELY patient and never openly bitched and complained. Even after so many issues, I was loyal and never openly stated these facts. I rather remained loyal and supported the perceived "team effort". This thread was meant to thank Lethal, not create a rival "issue" and definitely not to discredit myself.

Also, it was never fixed what-so-ever, otherwise it would have been fixed a long time ago and never to the point of over a year of problems. I am the ONLY one that cares as much as I do about my OWN car....That is the whole story, from the consumer standpoint. I never brought PSI up, you brought yourself up. A simple "Congrats" would have been nice.

[FnSweet06]

lol man this is almost as good as the transformers movie.....j/k


grats man...glad you got it back on the road.

[Lifted78Chevy]

wow.....i would take my car and blow it full of holes if that happened to it......or just sale the crapper and start over........when i go get my blower installed lethal diffrently be on my list of shops, good to hear u got the car where u want it to be......know take it to the track and post some time slips!!!

[CrewChiefLite]

Not the first time I've heard of a fried ECU and a Diablo on the same car...congrats on getting it running, now start bringing it out to events again!

[psiperformance]

Originally Posted by Lethal Performance

There is no cold air intake. It is the supplied intake hat. The customer is happy and that is the end result. Plain simple and to the point.

Please do not get me wrong im very glad you ironed out the issue im glad Jeremy is happy and im VERY GLAD all his problems are solved.

This is in no way a atempt to bash you or anyone else. just did not want the wrong impression being made.

and thank you jeremy for the clarification im glad you got it fixed.


Yes i can easily see how what was in your ecu when you fixed it could be seen as horrible we purposly took out 5 degrees of timing and put in 10 percent fuel to allow you to drive the car and be safe not to hurt it.. it was far far far from the tune you had when the car was makeing 438 rwhp.

also i did use liquid glass / block seal to seal your intercooler up jeremy thats a temporary fix and it was still bubling when pressure tested but was not a full on leak and it could come back to leak again so please watch your water levels in the intercooler resevoir if you have to ADD watter then its going some where..

You told me you were adding like a gallon a month to it and when we removed it a HUGE amount of water poured out of it and it did fail the pressure test so without a doubt its leaking.

Please do NOT get this wrong .. im simply letting you know that you should still keep a eye on it as water ingestion is dangerous I dont wana see you have a problem in the future.

You are correct i did not say replace the ecu what I told you about the ecu was that since the balast resistor for the coil packs was one of the wires that got damage that it was very possible that the coil drivers in the ecu could have been damaged .

running the car without that resistor pluged in will cause driver damage and or coil damage.
that was the reason we put my stock coils on your car.. process of elemination to remove them as a possible cause of the misfire.

i said to take it to a dealer and have them scan it with the dealer equipment as it is far more complex then the stuff we have .. specificaly to check the ecu.

Unforutnatly if i remember correctly the dealer you tried at first just gave you a cop out of we cant do it its been tuned < bs of course >

IM glad you found a dealer whos not afraid to check out things on a modified car.



Oh and congrats Jeremy.

Originally Posted by CrewChiefLite

Not the first time I've heard of a fried ECU and a Diablo on the same car..!

..

Diablosport holds EVERY world record in stock ford ecu tuning for cobras and lightnings and 05 mustangs.

and even though sct offers a racer tune int yourself package 9 out of 10 winners in fun ford weekedn and nmra stock ecu classes use diablosport tuning.

and in over 500 diablosport tuned vechiles ive been involved with over the last 5 years not a single 1 has had a ecu problem due to a predator.

The ecu was not damaged by the predator it was damaged by the belt failure and the resulting short in the two wires the programer on the car would have had no effect on this.

besides the fact there are probly 10 to 1 more predators on ford cars then sct programers.
Every supercharger kit made that comes with a flash tool other then the whipple and KB uses a predator.

[STANGER_SC]

Originally Posted by psiperformance

Please do not get me wrong im very glad you ironed out the issue im glad Jeremy is happy and im VERY GLAD all his problems are solved.

This is in no way a atempt to bash you or anyone else. just did not want the wrong impression being made.

and thank you jeremy for the clarification im glad you got it fixed.


Yes i can easily see how what was in your ecu when you fixed it could be seen as horrible we purposly took out 5 degrees of timing and put in 10 percent fuel to allow you to drive the car and be safe not to hurt it.. it was far far far from the tune you had when the car was makeing 438 rwhp.

also i did use liquid glass / block seal to seal your intercooler up jeremy thats a temporary fix and it was still bubling when pressure tested but was not a full on leak and it could come back to leak again so please watch your water levels in the intercooler resevoir if you have to ADD watter then its going some where..

You told me you were adding like a gallon a month to it and when we removed it a HUGE amount of water poured out of it and it did fail the pressure test so without a doubt its leaking.

Please do NOT get this wrong .. im simply letting you know that you should still keep a eye on it as water ingestion is dangerous I dont wana see you have a problem in the future.

You are correct i did not say replace the ecu what I told you about the ecu was that since the balast resistor for the coil packs was one of the wires that got damage that it was very possible that the coil drivers in the ecu could have been damaged .

running the car without that resistor pluged in will cause driver damage and or coil damage.
that was the reason we put my stock coils on your car.. process of elemination to remove them as a possible cause of the misfire.

i said to take it to a dealer and have them scan it with the dealer equipment as it is far more complex then the stuff we have .. specificaly to check the ecu.

Unforutnatly if i remember correctly the dealer you tried at first just gave you a cop out of we cant do it its been tuned < bs of course >

IM glad you found a dealer whos not afraid to check out things on a modified car.



Oh and congrats Jeremy.


..

Diablosport holds EVERY world record in stock ford ecu tuning for cobras and lightnings and 05 mustangs.

and even though sct offers a racer tune int yourself package 9 out of 10 winners in fun ford weekedn and nmra stock ecu classes use diablosport tuning.

and in over 500 diablosport tuned vechiles ive been involved with over the last 5 years not a single 1 has had a ecu problem due to a predator.

The ecu was not damaged by the predator it was damaged by the belt failure and the resulting short in the two wires the programer on the car would have had no effect on this.

besides the fact there are probly 10 to 1 more predators on ford cars then sct programers.
Every supercharger kit made that comes with a flash tool other then the whipple and KB uses a predator.

Thanks Dean I appreciate taking the time to suggest. Lately, it hasn't been loosing much water but there is a lot of hard water deposits all around the fill cap, possibly a poor seal on the cap. I am thinking of ordering a new cap and seeing if that works. If not than either a new intercooler or I am still thinking about going with an Air-Air conversion some day when funds permit. Or another kit all together...not sure.

Oh and as far as Ford dealers and modified cars...Bluebonnet Ford is the SHIZNIT! They worked more with me than all other dealerships combined!

[STANGER_SC]

Weather permitting I hope to get to the track soon and see what she will do.
I just hope to maybe finally break into the 12's.

[psiperformance]

you should have NO problem with twelves on the stock tires bro congrats.

ya bluebonet is definatly the place to go to because they sell so many roush and saleen cars they are much more mod friendly.

[96greengt]

Glad you got it fixed Jeremy........... I remember how it ran at dyno day and what was said at that time to you... I have no comment for that btw.

See ya at Biff's sometime....

[86sleeper]

i would get rid of the vortech cooler when you get a chance.

[psiperformance]

Originally Posted by 96greengt

I remember how it ran at dyno day and what was said at that time to you... I have no comment for that btw.

are you refering to PSI ? if so please enlighten me as to what you heard instead of droping a bs rumor line such as that.

As you heard absolutly nothing other then that he should drop the car off on monday and we would find out why it was runing so poorly and that it wasn't safe to run it again the way it was running.

Since if you heard anything said by us it would have to been me saying it and thats all that I said to jeremy.

[96greengt]

^^ I remember, but I refuse to even talk to you anymore.... enough said on my end!

Besides, it is pointless to even respond to you anyway.

Bottom line is, his car is fixed.

[Bird]

Can we please stop the pissing contest between vendors? No need for all that here and it just makes the pissers look childish. The thread originator got his car fixed and it's running good - that's the purpose of this thread.


Bird

[psiperformance]

Originally Posted by 96greengt

^^ I remember, but I refuse to even talk to you anymore.... enough said on my end!

Jeremy himself has said he was happy with the way he was treated here that the problem just was not something easy to diagnose so he had tried several shops mine murillos and lethal to attempt to find the issue.
That we did in fact replace many parts at our expense to try to diagnose his problem even though it was not somthing we caused or were liable for.

Then you post a out right lie.
That anything was said derogatory and or bad about him or his car is a joke.

A lot of the board members were there that day and can easily back me up as to what was said to jeremy..
Nothing other then it was not safe to make a pull on his car and to bring his car in on monday and we would find out why it was running so bad.. That even though its been over year its just not right and i wanted it right for him and we would diagnose it for free.

and that is the end of that.

[AdRock]

Give me a fuckin' break.......


A thread that is made to say thanks to some guys turns into this.........


STANGER_SC, sorry you're thread turned to crap.


This one is done.