Patriot Heads?

[Sic89GT]

Has anyone tried the patriot performance freedom series heads? ive been looking into them and wanted to see what was out there for reviews on them.

[Aerocoupe]

Well it all depends on how much internet banter you care to read. This thread on the Corral has all kinds of links and pros and cons.

Patriot Heads - Corral Forums

Darren

[Sic89GT]

ive been doing alot of searching on them and its all i "heard" this and that.. im trying to find someone that has them or had them and what problems they had or didnt have and if they were a good set of heads.. links were broken in the thread you posted. thanks tho

[Aerocoupe]

The links are busted as the Corral changed their website platform. To make the links work you replace "www" with "forums". Sorry about that I just noticed it myself. Anyhow, I found two threads on here:

This one is on the modular heads but quality is quality

http://www.lonestarstangs.com/forum/...-2v-42496.html

This one is for a push rod motor:

http://www.lonestarstangs.com/forum/...ads-42670.html

thesource seems to have some knowledge on them so maybe you could PM him for some input.

Other than that I would do a search on the Corral as the pickings here and on Westside Mustangs is limited.

Darren

[Sic89GT]

thanks for the post. most the heads that people post are 1500+ without the rockers and pushrods that would be needed to complete them. If the patriots flow just as much, maybe a little less than say the AFR 185s. but are made by a less repuable company what makes them so bad? ive read so much about how "bad" the modular heads were but all the posts are dated 3-5 years old..


im looking for help on this because i dont know much about the difference in heads.. just now how to replace them.


ive also hurd alot about the RHS/Pro Topline but have yet to find them anywhere... any help on that?

[04Roush2]

I have Patriot Stage 2 heads

[Aerocoupe]

I understand what your saying but I would rather spend my money on heads that I know have great quality then some that are from a "less reputable company". Reputation has a lot to do with why people by a certain brand of part. I do see your point in that if no one buys them and tries them out then how do we know we are not missing a killer deal. I just don't see my wallet and an R&D facility so I don't venture off into those waters.

On a different note, why not look for a good set of used heads? I bought a set of used Edelbrock Performers with the 2.02/1.60 valves fully assembled with Crane full roller 1.6:1 rockers and the girdles that tie the rockers together using the rocker nuts for $900.

You could even find a set of bare heads, add the valves, retainers, keepers, and springs of your choice and have them cleaned up and a valve job done at a reputable machine shop. Then you could source a set of used roller rockers and you are in business. Lots of guys on the boards do this and knock several hundred off of a new complete set of heads and end up with better parts.

Anyhow, good luck on the search and hope you find a great set of heads!

Darren

[Sonic Blue 85]

thanks for the post. most the heads that people post are 1500+ without the rockers and pushrods that would be needed to complete them. If the patriots flow just as much, maybe a little less than say the AFR 185s. but are made by a less repuable company what makes them so bad? ive read so much about how "bad" the modular heads were but all the posts are dated 3-5 years old..


im looking for help on this because i dont know much about the difference in heads.. just now how to replace them.


ive also hurd alot about the RHS/Pro Topline but have yet to find them anywhere... any help on that?

I don't have any experiance with any of the heads that are copies, such as the Patriot, RHS, Roush, Renegade, which are all based on the Dart heads. There is also a company making a copy of the GT-40Y head, that thread was just getting started the last time I checked on Corral. RHS and Roush have both been around for a long time, both should produce quality products. Some of the other companies I would spend like to spend a good bit of time looking multiple pairs over and measuring them before buying a pair. I am supposed to install a pair of RHS heads on a customers car soon. One of my suppliers sells them, so I checked out the RHS website, found RHS is now part of Comp Cams and the flow numbers they have listed looked pretty good. If they flow anywhere near as good as they claim, they should be some good heads. As for Roush, I am not a Roush fan and the heads they are selling look very close to exact copies of a Dart heads and from what I have read, they seem to flow very close to what Dart heads flow, but the prices are higher because of the Roush name and most likely they are cast by Dart/ World Products. So I would rather spend my money on the RHS heads. Dart/ World Products may also be casting the RHS heads, since RHS has been a big World Products dealer for a long time.
A little info on RHS, they started out in the '70s or early '80s porting factory iron heads in high volume, mainly Chevy and Ford heads. Later they started selling complete engine packages and also selling and porting Dart heads. So they should have some have knowledge of how to make a cylider head flow well.

[Sic89GT]

Thanks Sonic, that was some great info. Ive gone away from Patriot and found a set of brand new Edelbrock E-Streets with new hardened pushrods and arp bolts for 900. Heads should be a good match to my little mild setup daily driver.

[Sonic Blue 85]

Edelbrock heads are a good choice, they are very high quality and make good power to very good power depending on which heads you get.

[Sic89GT]

i got a set of E-streets. next thing i gotta get is some rockers.. are Proform rockers any good?

[BHAM]

I have ran the patriot heads on a 302. They are almost an exact cast as the afr185. Nearly identical except the finish machine work, afr is alot better with the final machining. If you want afr185 performance at a patriot price they ar worth it. Great little head forthe price!

[2k4mk1]

All the reviews Ive read on them say dollar for dollar the flow as well and perform as well as the more expensive competitors. I plan to get a set of these for the FACH in the future. I kinda want to finish it and get it on the road before I start anymore "performance" mods.

Patriot specs
Technical Specs:

Combustion Chamber: 60cc
Intake Runner: 185cc
Exhaust Runner: 70cc
Intake Valve: 2.02"
Exhaust Valve: 1.60"
Max. Valve Spring Lift: 0.550"
Retainer Material: Steel
Valve Seal Material: Viton
Valve Guide Material: Manganese Bronze
Valve Job: 5-angle

Edelbrock specs
Edelbrock #350-60329
Ford 289-351W Performer Aluminum Cylinder Head
170cc Intake Ports
60cc Combustion Chambers
1.900'' Int/1.600'' Exh Valves
1.460'' Valve Springs, .575'' Max Lift
Assembled, Sold Individually

[BHAM]

All the reviews Ive read on them say dollar for dollar the flow as well and perform as well as the more expensive competitors. I plan to get a set of these for the FACH in the future. I kinda want to finish it and get it on the road before I start anymore "performance" mods.

Patriot specs
Technical Specs:

Combustion Chamber: 60cc
Intake Runner: 185cc
Exhaust Runner: 70cc
Intake Valve: 2.02"
Exhaust Valve: 1.60"
Max. Valve Spring Lift: 0.550"
Retainer Material: Steel
Valve Seal Material: Viton
Valve Guide Material: Manganese Bronze
Valve Job: 5-angle

Edelbrock specs
Edelbrock #350-60329
Ford 289-351W Performer Aluminum Cylinder Head
170cc Intake Ports
60cc Combustion Chambers
1.900'' Int/1.600'' Exh Valves
1.460'' Valve Springs, .575'' Max Lift
Assembled, Sold Individually

Out of the 2 heads listed the edelbrock heads will out perform the bigger patriots on the street

[Sic89GT]

when i really looked into the 2.. i noticed i had to go with the edelbrocks no matter what. i dont have notched pistions or the money to buy a set or have someone notch the ones i have