Project: Procharged 2007 V6 - Page 6

95 GTS · 01-07-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 86sleeper

comparing a 302 based pushrod stroker and a newer 4.0L SOHC motor is not an equal comparison.
On the 4.6L SOHC a P1 peters out pretty quickly compared to other entry level blowers. However, the P1 on a 302 based pushrod will go a good bit more.

dont you think that is restriction other than the blower?

a 5.0 will do alot of different things with all things left equal except for the intake manifold.

86sleeper · 01-07-2008, 04:44 PM

he is comparing a built 347 to a stock sohc 4L.
the 347 itself is going to make great numbers if done right.
The stock 4L is not going to make great numbers by itself, thus the need for a blower.

86sleeper · 01-07-2008, 04:45 PM

btw, i think the P1 combo on this project will give Jeff just what he wants.

When he gets the urge, he should just skip the D blower and go straight to an F. LOL
I believe an F1A, P1, and D1 all use the same bracket.

05madmax · 01-07-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bandit

Yes, as 05madmax said...

We are aiming for between 350-380 rwhp on a safe tune at 10-12psi. And along with the other mods I am having done at the same time... we are shooting for high 11 second 1/4 mile times.

Of course that will take some seat time, as I have never owned a car that quick. But either way, she'll be fast.

i got some 4.10s sitting in my closet if you really wanna have some insane accel. let me know i can take them over to brian. they are used but every shop i have taken them to says they are in great shape. they were in a ranger so there was no racing done with them.

**bandit** · 01-07-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 05madmax

i got some 4.10s sitting in my closet if you really wanna have some insane accel. let me know i can take them over to brian. they are used but every shop i have taken them to says they are in great shape. they were in a ranger so there was no racing done with them.

I appreciate the offer man. But Brian has already finished the rear-end work, including a set of 3.73s.

I had 4.10s on my old 2000 V6, and I loved them... but I'm afraid they will be too much gear on a blown V6. So I'm going with 3.73s this time around.

05madmax · 01-07-2008, 11:12 PM

yea thats why im going 3.73s let me know what numbers you get. i had an issue with my injectors tonight so i gotta order some new seals. once i get that done ill probably get it datalogged and retuned by justin at vmp then to a dyno

95 GTS · 01-08-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

he is comparing a built 347 to a stock sohc 4L.
the 347 itself is going to make great numbers if done right.
The stock 4L is not going to make great numbers by itself, thus the need for a blower.

It would be false to say that the p1 is the culprit holding back the 4.0. The bigger application proves that it is not a bottle neck.

like T trimming a stock 5.0

86sleeper · 01-08-2008, 04:28 PM

your missing the point of my post.
look at the airflow data of a P1.

05madmax · 01-09-2008, 10:52 PM

on stock internals 14 psi is very dangerous though. so 12psi is the safest without doing any internals work. the p1 is definitely more than capable of doing 12psi and at times with good ambient air temps you could see 13psi. it also depends on the efficiency of your engine. some may see lower psi numbers if the engine is pretty efficient but the same dyno numbers of the higher psi guys

Blown01snake · 01-11-2008, 12:58 PM

You get you car delivered yet? Just wondering, I just now noticed this thread, and Brian has been telling me about your build also. He said he was looking to finish both at around the same time and deliver together. I was excited to hear about your set-up, that should frown up some GM guys a bit!!! Good luck with it!!

**bandit** · 01-15-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blown01snake

You get you car delivered yet? Just wondering, I just now noticed this thread, and Brian has been telling me about your build also. He said he was looking to finish both at around the same time and deliver together. I was excited to hear about your set-up, that should frown up some GM guys a bit!!! Good luck with it!!

Thanks for the good words man.

No, I have not yet taken delivery of it... but it should be done anyday now.

-jeff

05madmax · 01-15-2008, 09:42 PM

so im assuming no numbers yet?

**bandit** · 01-15-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 05madmax

so im assuming no numbers yet?

nope. i haven't heard from Brian in a week or two. I am going to call him tomorrow and see what's up.

05madmax · 01-15-2008, 11:10 PM

yeah if things fall through where justin from vmp has too much trouble tuning my car i may be paying brian a visit. so he may have some numbers to compare our two setups with. i got cut outs so he might be interested in doing a run with my cutouts open just to see any possible gains are to be had that way.

Blown01snake · 01-16-2008, 08:39 AM

Yeah I talked with him the other day and they are trying to button mine up. He's supposed to send me some pics of the progress, cage going in and paint, motor assy.... Hopefully it won't be much longer for either of ours. That would make for a pretty neat cruise night if timing works out right! I'm chomping at the bit to get mine back! I bet you are too!! The longer it stays there the more parts I add! When I see that THR trailer I'm gonna be

... well have a great day!

05madmax · 01-21-2008, 11:52 PM

dude Brian did a killer job tuning my stang i would expect no less thna 350-360 rwhp on yours since your gonna have your 3.73 gears and a 3 core intercooler. mine was a 2 core and peglegged and he managed to pull off a 345 rwhp on a street tune

**bandit** · 01-22-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 05madmax

dude Brian did a killer job tuning my stang i would expect no less thna 350-360 rwhp on yours since your gonna have your 3.73 gears and a 3 core intercooler. mine was a 2 core and peglegged and he managed to pull off a 345 rwhp on a street tune

Yeah, we're hopping for about 380 rwhp... considering the longtubes and full stainless-works exhaust.

But that's great to hear that he got you hooked up.

did you happen to see my car there? how did she look?

I haven't talked to Brian in several weeks. Been soo busy at work, I haven't had a chance to call him.

-jeff

86sleeper · 01-22-2008, 08:59 PM

Jeff, how long have they had your car?

btw-345rwhp is plenty to kill full bolt on GT's and possibly LS1's.

05madmax · 01-22-2008, 10:55 PM

380? your probably gonna have to run race fuel for that one. he squeezed every lil bit he could out fo mine with 91 pump gas man.

oh and naw i didnt get to see your stang there. i did see your kit in the store front. they are waiting on the exhaust from stainless from what Brian told me. they wanna do a base then exhaust then lngtubes then procharger runs to see the numbers that each provides. this is just from what i was told.

by the way really and truly the only difference your setup will be from mine is that you will have the stainless longtubes and i have the mac long tubes and you will have 3.73 gears and the 3 core IC because other than that we are pretty much the same setup.

**bandit** · 01-23-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 05madmax

by the way really and truly the only difference your setup will be from mine is that you will have the stainless longtubes and i have the mac long tubes and you will have 3.73 gears and the 3 core IC because other than that we are pretty much the same setup.

ah cool. i didn't know you had long tubes.

01-07-2008, 04:44 PM	#102
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,422 Trader Rating: (0)	he is comparing a built 347 to a stock sohc 4L. the 347 itself is going to make great numbers if done right. The stock 4L is not going to make great numbers by itself, thus the need for a blower. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

01-07-2008, 04:45 PM	#103
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,422 Trader Rating: (0)	btw, i think the P1 combo on this project will give Jeff just what he wants. When he gets the urge, he should just skip the D blower and go straight to an F. LOL I believe an F1A, P1, and D1 all use the same bracket. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

01-08-2008, 04:28 PM	#108
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,422 Trader Rating: (0)	your missing the point of my post. look at the airflow data of a P1. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

01-22-2008, 08:59 PM	#118
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,422 Trader Rating: (0)	Jeff, how long have they had your car? btw-345rwhp is plenty to kill full bolt on GT's and possibly LS1's. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

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01-07-2008, 11:12 PM	#106
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	yea thats why im going 3.73s let me know what numbers you get. i had an issue with my injectors tonight so i gotta order some new seals. once i get that done ill probably get it datalogged and retuned by justin at vmp then to a dyno

01-09-2008, 10:52 PM	#109
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	on stock internals 14 psi is very dangerous though. so 12psi is the safest without doing any internals work. the p1 is definitely more than capable of doing 12psi and at times with good ambient air temps you could see 13psi. it also depends on the efficiency of your engine. some may see lower psi numbers if the engine is pretty efficient but the same dyno numbers of the higher psi guys

01-15-2008, 09:42 PM	#112
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	so im assuming no numbers yet?

01-15-2008, 11:10 PM	#114
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	yeah if things fall through where justin from vmp has too much trouble tuning my car i may be paying brian a visit. so he may have some numbers to compare our two setups with. i got cut outs so he might be interested in doing a run with my cutouts open just to see any possible gains are to be had that way.

01-21-2008, 11:52 PM	#116
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	dude Brian did a killer job tuning my stang i would expect no less thna 350-360 rwhp on yours since your gonna have your 3.73 gears and a 3 core intercooler. mine was a 2 core and peglegged and he managed to pull off a 345 rwhp on a street tune

01-22-2008, 10:55 PM	#119
05madmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	380? your probably gonna have to run race fuel for that one. he squeezed every lil bit he could out fo mine with 91 pump gas man. oh and naw i didnt get to see your stang there. i did see your kit in the store front. they are waiting on the exhaust from stainless from what Brian told me. they wanna do a base then exhaust then lngtubes then procharger runs to see the numbers that each provides. this is just from what i was told. by the way really and truly the only difference your setup will be from mine is that you will have the stainless longtubes and i have the mac long tubes and you will have 3.73 gears and the 3 core IC because other than that we are pretty much the same setup.