remote start question

[Ron_B]

I have a question about remote start.
when i talked to my local audio shop they told me i had to put one of my keys permently in a little box inside the car, so the car could read the chip in the key and start. Im wondering if there is anyway to get a remote start alarm without losing a key.any help would be great!!

Thanks.

[Agent Jones]

I have a question about remote start.
when i talked to my local audio shop they told me i had to put one of my keys permently in a little box inside the car, so the car could read the chip in the key and start. Im wondering if there is anyway to get a remote start alarm without losing a key.any help would be great!!

Thanks.

nope. your mustang has a PATS system, the key is there to disable it. just get another key made. with the mustang ALWAYS have two keys, cause without two keys if you ever needed to program another you have to go through the dealership and they charge over 100 bucks for it. just get a blank key from ebay for like 10 bucks and have it cut then program it yourself if you have 2 keys already. then give the installer one of your 3 keys.

[Ron_B]

how can you program it yourself?

[Agent Jones]

Program a new Ford PATS Key

[Ron_B]

does anyone know if ford make a compatible remote start for the 2001 mustang?instead of going after market?

[Agent Jones]

auto or standard?

[Ron_B]

auto or standard?

auto.

[Agent Jones]

they do make them for auto, but the aftermarket will be WAY better. Fords is gonna be a watered down and overpriced. for the price you can get one that links to your cellphone, starts from a mile way, rolls up your windows, etc.

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[Shane361]

Love my auto start on my DSG standard Mach

[Agent Jones]

Love my auto start on my DSG standard Mach

same here, i love it on my 5speed! especially when its really hot or really cold out side.

[Shane361]

same here, i love it on my 5speed! especially when its really hot or really cold out side.

So far..have not had to use it for that reason living in Southern California. Came with the car when I bought it. I learned real quick that it needs to be left in neutral so getting into that habbit!

[Agent Jones]

So far..have not had to use it for that reason living in Southern California. Came with the car when I bought it. I learned real quick that it needs to be left in neutral so getting into that habbit!

i had a by pass installed on mine, if happened to leave it in gear, which i never do, there is a circuit broken that wont let the car attempt to start. i have seen to many people mess up their car by starting it with it in gear and the car jumps and hits something

[04Roush2]

I have remote start on my Roush. Didn't have to get a copy or anything. Oh, and it's a manal.

[voodookills31]

a manal? damn....lol jk i have a remote start on my manual fox

[04Roush2]

Yup, thank god for hook ups lol

[aguilarf]

I would find a new shop to get your alarm from. Never ever put a third key in the column or in the dash. Your car will always start, even with a screwdriver in the ignition.

There is a module that alarms such as the Viper use that temporarily overides your PATS system to start the car only. When the remote start is not active, you still have only your own 2 keys programmed and will function as normal.

This is how my Vipers are setup.

Viper - XpressKit Programmable Platform # 04: Ford PATS Override Interface

[04Roush2]

Also, check Clifford. That's the one I have. I'll post the model tomorrow.

[2k4mk1]

I prefer to get in and start it myself...Im just not that lazy or prissy that I need the A/C or heat on so my car can be all comfy before I get in....

[04Roush2]

I prefer to get in and start it myself...Im just not that lazy or prissy that I need the A/C or heat on so my car can be all comfy before I get in....

I got mine in Colorado when it was like 20 degrees outside and had to go do PT at 6am so trust me it was worth it lol

[Shane361]

i had a by pass installed on mine, if happened to leave it in gear, which i never do, there is a circuit broken that wont let the car attempt to start. i have seen to many people mess up their car by starting it with it in gear and the car jumps and hits something

Yeah it did lurch forward then just died. The parking brake I ALWAYS engage so that saved it from doing anything.

[Chris@STP]

you dont need a key you can bypass the pats.

[RaceRat]

I had a Compucar remote start on my Cobra for a few weeks and hated it, had it removed.
It didn't do what I wanted it to do anyway, which was cool the car. The fans would come on, but not the compressor.

And as Chris stated above, turning PATS off is not an issue.

[zosick]

you dont need a key you can bypass the pats.

+1

[aguilarf]

Also, check Clifford. That's the one I have. I'll post the model tomorrow.

Directed Electronics makes:

Viper, Clifford, Avital, Python, XpressKit, AstroFlex, AutoMate, and AutoStart brands.

[PasadenaEd]

I have a Viper alarm with remote start on my manual but it stopped working about 2 months ago. I need to get it replaced with another alarm and it will also have the remote start feature.

[sastang]

i have a reote start on my 01 and i did not have to give up one of my keys. my alarm is excaliber

[punishr]

I have this remote installed on my 06 and I paid the extra for a wireless keypad to attach to the exterior. Has a much needed trunk release on the keypad too! It has some kind of bypass, so I did not have to attach a key near the ignition.

Remote Car Starters and Auto Alarm Systems Vehicle Specific - X6 VSS Remote Starter w/Keyless Entry

[stangfreak]

have a tune turn the pats off... problem solved

[Ron_B]

just thougt i would update this thread since ive seen lots of post in it.
i got the remote start installed months ago,i didnt have to lose a key, they installed an express kit that made everything work correctly, it was only $50 bucks more.
th eonly thing is they still have to have both factory keys to program the express kit.

[Sonic Blue 85]

just thougt i would update this thread since ive seen lots of post in it.
i got the remote start installed months ago,i didnt have to lose a key, they installed an express kit that made everything work correctly, it was only $50 bucks more.
th eonly thing is they still have to have both factory keys to program the express kit.

So you just made it easier for someone to steel your car, that's a good idea.

[Ron_B]

So you just made it easier for someone to steel your car, that's a good idea.

what?i got an alarm installed, that makes it easier for people to steal it?!

[Sonic Blue 85]

That express kit they installed and got your PATS modual to learn, basicaly makes it easier to start the car now without a programmed key. Before you had to have a PATS key present near the steering collum that the PATS modual recognises or some fancy equiptment that I would have no clue where to get, to get the car to start. Now since you basicaly have the PATS bypassed your car can be hot wired the old fashion way or they can use a shaved key and there are couple of other ways that I have heard of. In the past it has been very hard to steel a car with PATS, you pretty much needed a key that was programmed for that car. I have heard for some time now that the theives could get equiptment that somehow fooled the PATS modual, but have never heard how it was done. So most of the time a car was stolen that had PATS they got hold of a programmed key somehow. Since you have PATS basicaly by passed, they don't even need a programmed key to steel your car, you paid for something that makes their jobs easier.
The other problem is, many of the guys who install car alarms are also car thiefs or have friends who are. They know how to get around the alarms quickly. I have heard of many cars getting stolen shortly after having an alarm installed. In those cases, it is most likely done by the person who installed the alarm or a friend of that person that was given info on the car.

[raymond8698]

That express kit they installed and got your PATS modual to learn, basicaly makes it easier to start the car now without a programmed key. Before you had to have a PATS key present near the steering collum that the PATS modual recognises or some fancy equiptment that I would have no clue where to get, to get the car to start. Now since you basicaly have the PATS bypassed your car can be hot wired the old fashion way or they can use a shaved key and there are couple of other ways that I have heard of. In the past it has been very hard to steel a car with PATS, you pretty much needed a key that was programmed for that car. I have heard for some time now that the theives could get equiptment that somehow fooled the PATS modual, but have never heard how it was done. So most of the time a car was stolen that had PATS they got hold of a programmed key somehow. Since you have PATS basicaly by passed, they don't even need a programmed key to steel your car, you paid for something that makes their jobs easier.
The other problem is, many of the guys who install car alarms are also car thiefs or have friends who are. They know how to get around the alarms quickly. I have heard of many cars getting stolen shortly after having an alarm installed. In those cases, it is most likely done by the person who installed the alarm or a friend of that person that was given info on the car.

true, when or if they ask for my address which they did not ask me, I would give them the address I no longer live at

[Ron_B]

That express kit they installed and got your PATS modual to learn, basicaly makes it easier to start the car now without a programmed key. Before you had to have a PATS key present near the steering collum that the PATS modual recognises or some fancy equiptment that I would have no clue where to get, to get the car to start. Now since you basicaly have the PATS bypassed your car can be hot wired the old fashion way or they can use a shaved key and there are couple of other ways that I have heard of. In the past it has been very hard to steel a car with PATS, you pretty much needed a key that was programmed for that car. I have heard for some time now that the theives could get equiptment that somehow fooled the PATS modual, but have never heard how it was done. So most of the time a car was stolen that had PATS they got hold of a programmed key somehow. Since you have PATS basicaly by passed, they don't even need a programmed key to steel your car, you paid for something that makes their jobs easier.
The other problem is, many of the guys who install car alarms are also car thiefs or have friends who are. They know how to get around the alarms quickly. I have heard of many cars getting stolen shortly after having an alarm installed. In those cases, it is most likely done by the person who installed the alarm or a friend of that person that was given info on the car.

im just wondering where you got this information from.

[Sonic Blue 85]

I used to work for Ford, I know how the PATs system works quite well. I had not heard about the aftermarket selling kit that would allow you to start a PATS car remotely without having a PATS key in the car, but from what you described, I know that one of the componets of the Express kit basicaly has something that will produce a signal like a Ford PATS key. So knowing there is always something in the car that is producing a signal that the PATS modual recognises as a PATS key means that the PATS system basicaly has been bypassed.
My knowledge of how cars are stolen comes from many different places. I have worked in dealers ships and after seeing the punks that the dealers were getting to install alarms, it is not hard to figure them out. Also I have worked for two insurance companies wrighting estimates on autos, I delt with many car thefts. I got to talk to may police about those thefts, learned things from them I did not know. I was very good at determining if a theft was legit or just an insurance scams. Most I delt with were insurance scams, but I did get to some legit theft jobs.

[aguilarf]

The way that the guys at Alamo Auto Security explained it to me, the PATS bypass is only activated for the few seconds while the alarm is performing the auto start function. Once the alarm recognizes that the engine is running, the bypass module turns off and pats is enabled as normal. It does not constantly produce a pats key emulation signal. If a valid pats key is not in the ignition when you attempt to drive off, the car dies as soon as you step on the brake.

[Sonic Blue 85]

If that's true that would be good for the people who have had one of those remote starters installed, but most likely a thief could use it to help steel your car, still does not sound like a good idea to me. It does not make much difference to me, I don't own any cars that have PATS. It should be a concern for people who do own a vehicle with PATS and have had a remote start installed.

[alexatosjr]

Program a new Ford PATS Key

Good info there man