san antonio gas thread

[2k4mk1]

Here is what Im saying.................


updated 6:13 p.m. CT, Tues., April. 1, 2008
NEW YORK - Gas prices may be sitting near record levels, but the owner of your local gas station quite likely is struggling.
Profit margins on gasoline sales are razor thin. Indeed, some gas stations are losing money on credit card sales, once the fees are factored in.
How do they stay in business? More and more a gas station's bread and butter is, well, bread and butter — and the coffee and candy bars it sells in its convenience store. Most of these items generate much more profit.
"Gasoline is a relatively low margin part of what we do," said Jay Ricker, president of Ricker Oil Co. in Anderson, Ind.
Increasingly, a station owner's biggest challenge is convincing drivers to step inside the store after they gas up.
"It's all about trying to sell other things," said Scott Hartman, president and chief executive of Rutter's Farm Stores, a York, Pa., company that owns and operates 51 gas stations.
Jeff Lenard, spokesman for the National Association of Convenience Stores, estimates that gasoline accounts for 70 percent of a typical station's revenues, but only 30 percent of its profits. Paul Fiore, executive director of the Service Station Dealers of America, a trade association for auto repair shops, said the mix is about the same for service stations.
Low profit margins are squeezing companies along the length of the gasoline supply chain, from the biggest refiners to the smallest corner stations. Contrary to popular belief, 95 percent of gas stations in the U.S. are independently owned: Their prices and procedures aren't dictated by a major oil company, even if the station licenses that company's name.With crude oil, gasoline's raw ingredient, soaring to records near $112 earlier this month, up from about $60 a year ago, gas prices are actually struggling to keep up. Crack spreads, the difference between what refiners pay for crude and get for the gasoline they make, have gone negative on some days in recent weeks. That means that in those cases, refiners were losing money making and selling gasoline. In comparison, at one point last spring, crack spreads reached as high as $37 a barrel.
Oil's rise has been driven by investors snapping up crude futures as a hedge against a falling dollar and inflation. But while gas prices have tried to keep pace, demand for gasoline has fallen, limiting refiners' pricing power.
Top executives of the five biggest U.S. oil companies appearing before a Congressional committee Tuesday deflected any blame for the effect of gas prices on consumers and argued their profits — $123 billion last year — were in line with other industries.
That pain travels down the chain to retailers, who base the prices they charge consumers on what they expect they'll have to pay for their next shipment of gas. Many make no more than a few cents a gallon selling gas, a margin that evaporates once credit card fees are tacked on.
Some decide it's not worth the bother. A station in Bushnell, Fla., stopped selling gas entirely a month ago after its owner determined he couldn't make money on it. He's not alone; many refiners have cut back on gasoline production in recent weeks due to low profit margins.
But most stations view gas as a loss leader — something they're willing to take a loss on, or accept a very small profit for selling — under the theory that it will bring people into their store or shop.
Competition between stations is becoming increasingly cutthroat as demand for gasoline falls. Energy Department data shows gas consumption has fallen about 1 percent over the last 9 weeks, compared to the same period last year.
"High prices are pressuring consumers to conserve," said Tim Evans, an analyst with Citigroup Inc. in New York.
Unlike other industries, which might run a sale or slash prices when demand for their main product is falling, there isn't much gas stations can do to pump up demand. Most are reluctant to cut prices.
"We don't do that and most don't because you just start a price war," Ricker said.
"You really can't reverse a trend if people are driving less," Lenard said. "You have to steal someone else's customers."
To get a competitive edge, many station owners are investing heavily in other things. Rutter's Hartman says he makes more selling a cup of coffee than a gallon of gas, and is operating his stations with that in mind. He's emphasizing convenience, building bigger stations and investing over $1 million in bathroom upgrades, "more like you would find in an upscale restaurant."
The idea is to build a base of customers who could get gas anywhere, but choose to buy it at Rutter's because there's always an open pump and the bathrooms are nice and clean.
"That builds you a regular repeat kind of customer," Hartman said.
Ricker, who operates 30 stations throughout Indiana, advertises heavily at the pump. Signs touting fountain drink and sandwich deals are prominent, and Ricker is also experimenting with pump-top televisions advertising goodies inside the store.
Douglass Distributing, a Sherman, Texas-based company which distributes fuel and owns a chain of gas stations, is incorporating post offices and Subway sandwich shops into its convenience store designs. Owner Bill Douglass also offers a customer loyalty program that gives repeat customers discount cards and deals on certain products, much like a grocery store, and heavily promotes the availability at his stations of products such as propane, biodiesel and racing fuel.
"It's not a fun place to be, but it's manageable if you're working on it," Douglass said of the gas station business.

[96greengt]

Originally Posted by Captainsteve57

and the name brand filter it more. That is why it cost more. Ask a mechanic.

Hmmmm, I guess I better ask myself then huh?

That is untrue...
One tanker can fill up a name brand station and then drive to habib down the street and top them off. Same fuel in the tank.


Gas on the N/E side when I filled @ Sams with 93 was 3.95, but has dropped in the past 2 days. I was on West Ave. going toward 10 and it was 3.64 there for 87.

[Stephen]

yea at the moment im working at a gas station and i know for a fact that we make 0 profit on gas (assuming we dont lose money) everyone likes to use credit cards now so the store gets charged for each credit purchase... basicly taking any possible profit. kinda sucks... but lately gas prices have been going down and people seem more willing to spend money :-D

[thesource]

On a side note unleaded is $3.57 a gallon at the Wal Mart on Rigsby and 410 . Use your Wally World gift card and its $3.54 . Use a pay pal credit card to put money on your gift card and its even less ...............