Shorties or mid? - Lone Star Stangs

BlKvNm · 11-25-2004, 11:19 AM

I am thinking this will be my next mod but not sure the differences between the two...will they both change the sound of the exhuast? Will they each have a different sound? What size should I go with? How much am I looking to gain between the two? I am also looking for a deeper rumble in the Cobra without going catless.

Oh, LTs are out of the question.

Any info is appreciated.

Mick

**12second5.0** · 11-25-2004, 12:01 PM

If you are going to go for the effort of doing this you'll be better off with long tubes. :jeff:

BlKvNm · 11-25-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 12second5.0

If you are going to go for the effort of doing this you'll be better off with long tubes. :jeff:

I dont want LTs yo!

**12second5.0** · 11-25-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlKvNm

I dont want LTs yo!

I understand that Mickey.I am just saying even if you go with shorties,the engine crossmember will have to be dropped.Why not get the most hp for your dollar? :mick:

BlKvNm · 11-25-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12second5.0

I understand that Mickey.I am just saying even if you go with shorties,the engine crossmember will have to be dropped.Why not get the most hp for your dollar? :mick:

Because I will hate scraping them every time I drive...ok ok, maybe not every time...

Scottyboy · 11-25-2004, 01:09 PM

Which vehicle is this for? I'd find another mod. They are worth the hassle, but exhaust leaks are the worst!

BlKvNm · 11-25-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottyboy

Which vehicle is this for? I'd find another mod. They are worth the hassle, but exhaust leaks are the worst!

It's for Blkvnm man! I'm not gonna put Lts on the Magnum...yet :blkvnm:

But, I want headers...it's really the next thing to do other than susp work

BlueStangChik · 11-26-2004, 12:05 AM

Do you already have gears?

Roush_03 · 11-26-2004, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStangChik

Do you already have gears?

Get a solid rear put in and get some gears. :larry03gt

Firemanz · 11-26-2004, 08:56 AM

Mids...

**12second5.0** · 11-26-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Roush_03

Get a solid rear put in and get some gears. :larry03gt

He doesn't drag race it.He justs wants mo powa! :jeff:

Nighthawk · 11-26-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 12second5.0

He doesn't drag race it.He justs wants mo powa! :jeff:

get the eaton ported...i think its about $500, less labor, and more power.

enouf4u · 11-26-2004, 12:38 PM

if it was mine i even leafe the stock exhaust maifold's on it go with an x-pipe and a magna flow cat back sounds bad ass.even the stock h-pipe sonds good with just a magna flow cat back. leafe the 355 in it for a good mile in hour

there is no need to cange the gear's.
do pulleys a good tune .

BlKvNm · 11-26-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by enouf4u

if it was mine i even leafe the stock exhaust maifold's on it go with an x-pipe and a magna flow cat back sounds bad ass.even the stock h-pipe sonds good with just a magna flow cat back. leafe the 355 in it for a good mile in hour

there is no need to cange the gear's.
do pulleys a good tune .

I've already got the basics and putting down 470ish...I don't have gears but I don't mind the 355s...I really wanna go headers...thx for all the inputs

Roots66 · 11-26-2004, 03:15 PM

Long tubes are best for low-end torque. Shorties will give you a little more power but not where you probably want it. As far as sound, the headers don't really matter that much. The right cat back system will make even cast iron headers sound good.

RaceRat · 11-26-2004, 05:35 PM

You will see an increase in power under the whole curve with headers. You may not gain peak horsepower. You will most likely lose torque, especially with an aftermarket midpipe and exhaust because the car is breathing better.

Shorties...you can keep your current midpipe. Least amount of noise, smallest gain..not worth the cost IMO.

Mids. You have to change the midpipe. The car will be loud. This would be my choice.

Longtubes. The car will scrape and will be obnoxiously LOUD. Most power.

The bad, and the number one reason not do this mod...every single person I know with headers on a Terminator have issues with leaking, regardles of the header.

Roush_03 · 11-26-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceRat

You will see an increase in power under the whole curve with headers. You may not gain peak horsepower. You will most likely lose torque, especially with an aftermarket midpipe and exhaust because the car is breathing better.

Shorties...you can keep your current midpipe. Least amount of noise, smallest gain..not worth the cost IMO.

Mids. You have to change the midpipe. The car will be loud. This would be my choice.

Longtubes. The car will scrape and will be obnoxiously LOUD. Most power.

The bad, and the number one reason not do this mod...every single person I know with headers on a Terminator have issues with leaking, regardles of the header.

After doing some research after reading this I would have to agree with Tracey I have found more than one report of the headers leaking on a terminator. I also agree with the mids, Longtubes are a pain and scrape horribly.

ccs · 11-26-2004, 10:51 PM

The Mids-that's what we include in our 03-04 Cobra package. Comes in 1.625", or 1.75". The 1.75"'s barely touch, on some cars. That's why we use the 1.625's, most of the time. You do have to replace the "h" pipe, and you can get it, in either catted, or off-road version. Makes about 20hp/40# difference, on that one.

jim

11-25-2004, 11:19 AM	#1
BlKvNm Long live the Boys! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: At the Y Posts: 5,071	Shorties or mid? I am thinking this will be my next mod but not sure the differences between the two...will they both change the sound of the exhuast? Will they each have a different sound? What size should I go with? How much am I looking to gain between the two? I am also looking for a deeper rumble in the Cobra without going catless. Oh, LTs are out of the question. Any info is appreciated. Mick

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enouf4u karma Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: new braunfels Posts: 745	if it was mine i even leafe the stock exhaust maifold's on it go with an x-pipe and a magna flow cat back sounds bad ass.even the stock h-pipe sonds good with just a magna flow cat back. leafe the 355 in it for a good mile in hour there is no need to cange the gear's. do pulleys a good tune . __________________ AKA-Blewbullitt Last edited by enouf4u; 11-26-2004 at 12:42 PM.

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Roots66 School's in session Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the head of the class. Posts: 5,886	Long tubes are best for low-end torque. Shorties will give you a little more power but not where you probably want it. As far as sound, the headers don't really matter that much. The right cat back system will make even cast iron headers sound good. __________________ 1985 Cobra GT Convertible #4257 of 5549 The best news is on the Roots Report Constipated People Don't Give A Crap

11-25-2004, 12:01 PM	#2
12second5.0 Sie lieben, mich zu hassen! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Marion,Texas Posts: 9,044	If you are going to go for the effort of doing this you'll be better off with long tubes. :jeff:

11-25-2004, 01:09 PM	#6
Scottyboy Man law? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Converse Posts: 4,529	Which vehicle is this for? I'd find another mod. They are worth the hassle, but exhaust leaks are the worst!

11-26-2004, 05:35 PM	#16
RaceRat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 917	You will see an increase in power under the whole curve with headers. You may not gain peak horsepower. You will most likely lose torque, especially with an aftermarket midpipe and exhaust because the car is breathing better. Shorties...you can keep your current midpipe. Least amount of noise, smallest gain..not worth the cost IMO. Mids. You have to change the midpipe. The car will be loud. This would be my choice. Longtubes. The car will scrape and will be obnoxiously LOUD. Most power. The bad, and the number one reason not do this mod...every single person I know with headers on a Terminator have issues with leaking, regardles of the header. __________________ 03 Sonic Blue Cobra Vert Build #11 - 11.13@125.94 (1.63 60ft, 4015lbs, 17" DR's) Link to Pics & Mods 04 Sonic Blue Lightning 12.9@106 on stock Good Years Last edited by RaceRat; 11-26-2004 at 05:39 PM.

11-26-2004, 10:51 PM	#18
ccs Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: austin, texas Posts: 110	The Mids-that's what we include in our 03-04 Cobra package. Comes in 1.625", or 1.75". The 1.75"'s barely touch, on some cars. That's why we use the 1.625's, most of the time. You do have to replace the "h" pipe, and you can get it, in either catted, or off-road version. Makes about 20hp/40# difference, on that one. jim

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