V6 to V8 swap, not worth the $ and hassle? - Page 2

FnSweet06 · 03-08-2007, 09:41 PM

i was thinking about going the same route. talk't to many ppl and just found out it would be to costly and by the time its said and done i might of as well have bought a new stang. which is where im going right now. think this weekend might be the last weekend for my 6er to be a modded one. ima strip her dwn and get rid of her and use that for a dwn payment or put it towards a loan.

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 08:12 AM

86sleeper · 03-09-2007, 08:38 AM

that looks pretty cool.
they also make cams for that motor that will put a nice rumble out of the pipes.

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 86sleeper

that looks pretty cool.
they also make cams for that motor that will put a nice rumble out of the pipes.

i did some research online last night and found many interesting things...

found there is a place that builds and sells 4.2L longblocks built to handle 400+ rwhp. and then i found those turbo kits... a member on here (SAI) has a single turbo kit that put down 297 rwhp 322 rwtrq at only 7psi on his 99 V6 automatic

**12second5.0** · 03-09-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bandit

yeah, that's what i'm thinking... and probably what I will end up doing. I don't have the funds for a mach in good condition right now (new house, new son, misc debt) but my goal is to be in a nice mach/cobra within a year. that is, if that's the path I take.

My mach is F/S PM me if interested........

SAI · 03-09-2007, 09:59 AM

I got your PM. I would be glad to help. Here is my only reasoning of why its worth going the V6 route over the V8. Much cheaper car insurance. As far as the gas mileage, different people will say different things, but I thought I got pretty good gas mileage.

I just recently sold my car, but just before I sold it I put a new motor in it. The car has right around 6,000 miles on it now. The V6 motors are dirt cheap (which is a good thing if anything goes wrong). Basically look at spending around 5-6k for a good turbo setup including the upgraded fuel system. You will be in the mid 300's to the wheel on low psi.

I drove the hell out of my car, steppin' on it just about everyday. Not a single thing went wrong. I only replaced the engine cause it was hard to sell the car with such high miles. So all you would need is the turbo kit, upgraded fuel system, and a rear-end (which I never did).

Go to TMA TURBO tell him Sai sent you, and he will help you out with the rest.

**12second5.0** · 03-09-2007, 10:14 AM

There is no denying you can make some serious power with the V6 Jeff.The trouble in my opinion is the cost to get there.You could probably buy a V8 car already modded to your liking with all the power you want vs. the cost to get you there with the V6.

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 10:14 AM

thanks for the input SAI. your V6 was wicked!

so you ran that turbo on the stock 3.8 with no problems?

I was actually looking into a built 3.8 or 4.2 from RPM, and then getting the turbo.... but is that nessesary?

and yeah, i agree with your reasoning of the lower insurance. that will play large into my decision. you see, my car is paid off... so i can technically keep it dropped down to just liability and not full coverage. which saves me a good amount of money per month. and the car will be a garage queen... so it won't be driven every day and only on nice days to mustang meets and stuff.

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 12second5.0

There is no denying you can make some serious power with the V6 Jeff.The trouble in my opinion is the cost to get there.You could probably buy a V8 car already modded to your liking with all the power you want vs. the cost to get you there with the V6.

yeah, i see your point. but again... if i buy a new (or new to me) V8 mustang, i will be paying a car note again, which means i will also NEED to carry full coverage on it.

i did just turn 25, so that may not be a big deal anymore... but i haven't seen a drop yet.

**12second5.0** · 03-09-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bandit

yeah, i see your point. but again... if i buy a new (or new to me) V8 mustang, i will be paying a car note again, which means i will also NEED to carry full coverage on it.

i did just turn 25, so that may not be a big deal anymore... but i haven't seen a drop yet.

You are married which is a break and you also live in Guadalupe county,another break.The over 25 is a big added plus as well. I think full coverage on the Mach is 75 a month for me.

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 12second5.0

You are married which is a break and you also live in Guadalupe county,another break.The over 25 is a big added plus as well. I think full coverage on the Mach is 75 a month for me.

it's something i will have to look into, just as i am looking into the turbo kits for the V6. I am still about a year away from starting any project on the V6, or dumping it and going with a V8 stang.

i just don't want to be paying alot monthly on a car that i don't drive but twice a month.

and high insurance costs wouldn't help. If i could get a Mach, Cobra, etc on full coverage for 75 a month, that would be do-able.

86sleeper · 03-09-2007, 10:54 AM

I say v6 turbo on stock motor. that will be the cheapest route.
stay on the stock motor until it goes. since it sits in the garage most of the time, what will it matter if you have some down time with the car.
I bet it will last longer than you think with a good tune.

no debt either.

96greengt · 03-09-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 86sleeper

I bet it will last longer than you think with a good tune.

no debt either.

And not drove with the hammer down.....

**bandit** · 03-09-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 96greengt

And not drove with the hammer down.....

hah! what fun would that be?

95 GTS · 03-10-2007, 01:10 PM

I dont understand how buying a 6k turbo kit, having it installed and tuned incurrs no debt.

unless you wait 1.5-2 years to save the cash up. Its also very hard to blow a 7k chunk of change in the bank when you have a new family.

what fun is that? i want my toy now!

1.7 roller rockers and a turbo kit would be fun. one day when you blow the motor you can hone extrude the intake and port the heads and be pretty quick.

but then so would a mach with 4.30s and a 125 shot and nittos, That alone.

96greengt · 03-10-2007, 01:40 PM

How does that saying go....

"There is no replacement for displacement"

**bandit** · 03-10-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 96greengt

"There is no replacement for displacement"

we'll see.

**bighoss88lx** · 03-10-2007, 08:31 PM

Ok Jeffro here is how I see it...

Converting a V6 to a 2V not worth it at all IMO. Too much hassle and time into making a GT.

Converting to a 32V WOULD be well worth it ONLY if you can find a wrecked donor car to buy the entire drivetrain and powertrain management. And if you arent going to be doing all of the work (very tedious for the expierenced) you better get the donor car cheap because you will be spending the money in labor.

Putting a power adder on your V6 will also be costly for a minimum outcome. Remember some of the guys running big numbers in the V6's spend good money for short blocks so they can live to make the power.

Ideally...Just get a V8 car of your liking and have fun modding it.

96greengt · 03-10-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bighoss88lx

Ok Jeffro here is how I see it...

Converting a V6 to a 2V not worth it at all IMO. Too much hassle and time into making a GT.

Converting to a 32V WOULD be well worth it ONLY if you can find a wrecked donor car to buy the entire drivetrain and powertrain management. And if you arent going to be doing all of the work (very tedious for the expierenced) you better get the donor car cheap because you will be spending the money in labor.

Putting a power adder on your V6 will also be costly for a minimum outcome. Remember some of the guys running big numbers in the V6's spend good money for short blocks so they can live to make the power.

Ideally...Just get a V8 car of your liking and have fun modding it.

+1 but that's my opinion. I owned a V-6 back in the day, was a Pontiac Sunbird, had a 231 Buick V-6, same engine as the Grand National, minus the turbo, but slapped headers on it, dual exhaust, cam and intake and was fun.
Just make wise and educated purchases.

Zylone · 03-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Heck, I bought my old coupe for $5k with a 347 with like 20k miles on it. Slapped a new clutch in it, and was rockin almost 300rwhp... all it needed was some new heads and intake to make alot more power

I got my bone stock 2000 GT for 10k and it aint near as fun as the old fox.. if I would have known at the time what a waste a 2v motor is compared to a 5.0 or a newer cobra, etc, I wouldn't have gotten it.. just to buy cam's, springs, etc is pushing a grand... and you dont get all that much out of it for the cost.. *shrug*

03-09-2007, 08:12 AM	#22
bandit Just another slow V6 ;) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cibolo, TX Posts: 15,167 Trader Rating: (0)	__________________

03-09-2007, 08:38 AM	#23
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,438 Trader Rating: (0)	that looks pretty cool. they also make cams for that motor that will put a nice rumble out of the pipes. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

03-09-2007, 10:14 AM	#27
12second5.0 RIP Cledus Snow Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Marion,Texas Posts: 8,613 Trader Rating: (0)	There is no denying you can make some serious power with the V6 Jeff.The trouble in my opinion is the cost to get there.You could probably buy a V8 car already modded to your liking with all the power you want vs. the cost to get you there with the V6. __________________

03-09-2007, 10:14 AM	#28
bandit Just another slow V6 ;) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cibolo, TX Posts: 15,167 Trader Rating: (0)	thanks for the input SAI. your V6 was wicked! so you ran that turbo on the stock 3.8 with no problems? I was actually looking into a built 3.8 or 4.2 from RPM, and then getting the turbo.... but is that nessesary? and yeah, i agree with your reasoning of the lower insurance. that will play large into my decision. you see, my car is paid off... so i can technically keep it dropped down to just liability and not full coverage. which saves me a good amount of money per month. and the car will be a garage queen... so it won't be driven every day and only on nice days to mustang meets and stuff. __________________

03-09-2007, 10:54 AM	#32
86sleeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: deer park Posts: 2,438 Trader Rating: (0)	I say v6 turbo on stock motor. that will be the cheapest route. stay on the stock motor until it goes. since it sits in the garage most of the time, what will it matter if you have some down time with the car. I bet it will last longer than you think with a good tune. no debt either. __________________ MIKE '86 GT:high 12's Sold '01 GT:low 11's for sale

03-08-2007, 09:41 PM	#21
FnSweet06 ☆★sSs★☆ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antone Posts: 4,554 Trader Rating: (4)	i was thinking about going the same route. talk't to many ppl and just found out it would be to costly and by the time its said and done i might of as well have bought a new stang. which is where im going right now. think this weekend might be the last weekend for my 6er to be a modded one. ima strip her dwn and get rid of her and use that for a dwn payment or put it towards a loan.

03-09-2007, 09:59 AM	#26
SAI No thanks, Turbo 6 for me Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0)	I got your PM. I would be glad to help. Here is my only reasoning of why its worth going the V6 route over the V8. Much cheaper car insurance. As far as the gas mileage, different people will say different things, but I thought I got pretty good gas mileage. I just recently sold my car, but just before I sold it I put a new motor in it. The car has right around 6,000 miles on it now. The V6 motors are dirt cheap (which is a good thing if anything goes wrong). Basically look at spending around 5-6k for a good turbo setup including the upgraded fuel system. You will be in the mid 300's to the wheel on low psi. I drove the hell out of my car, steppin' on it just about everyday. Not a single thing went wrong. I only replaced the engine cause it was hard to sell the car with such high miles. So all you would need is the turbo kit, upgraded fuel system, and a rear-end (which I never did). Go to TMA TURBO tell him Sai sent you, and he will help you out with the rest.

03-10-2007, 01:10 PM	#35
95 GTS Back in the saddle again Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,420 Trader Rating: (0)	I dont understand how buying a 6k turbo kit, having it installed and tuned incurrs no debt. unless you wait 1.5-2 years to save the cash up. Its also very hard to blow a 7k chunk of change in the bank when you have a new family. what fun is that? i want my toy now! 1.7 roller rockers and a turbo kit would be fun. one day when you blow the motor you can hone extrude the intake and port the heads and be pretty quick. but then so would a mach with 4.30s and a 125 shot and nittos, That alone. __________________ 2007 Reflex Silver Wolfsburg Jetta - new hotness 1995 Canary Yellow GTS - Sold 12.81@106.2 w/1.80 60' Boltons/E303 + 3100 lbs + M&H 246 HP/ 290 TQ 12.57 @ 109.21 w/1.76 60' Boltons/GT40Ps/XE270 + 3240 lbs + 555Rs 295 HP / 321 TQ

03-10-2007, 08:31 PM	#38
bighoss88lx Killing is my Business...And Business is Good! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Elmendorf, Tejas Posts: 5,952 Trader Rating: (1)	Ok Jeffro here is how I see it... Converting a V6 to a 2V not worth it at all IMO. Too much hassle and time into making a GT. Converting to a 32V WOULD be well worth it ONLY if you can find a wrecked donor car to buy the entire drivetrain and powertrain management. And if you arent going to be doing all of the work (very tedious for the expierenced) you better get the donor car cheap because you will be spending the money in labor. Putting a power adder on your V6 will also be costly for a minimum outcome. Remember some of the guys running big numbers in the V6's spend good money for short blocks so they can live to make the power. Ideally...Just get a V8 car of your liking and have fun modding it. __________________ 1988 Mustang LX

03-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#40
Zylone 5.ohhh Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, Tx. Posts: 1,121 Trader Rating: (0)	Heck, I bought my old coupe for $5k with a 347 with like 20k miles on it. Slapped a new clutch in it, and was rockin almost 300rwhp... all it needed was some new heads and intake to make alot more power I got my bone stock 2000 GT for 10k and it aint near as fun as the old fox.. if I would have known at the time what a waste a 2v motor is compared to a 5.0 or a newer cobra, etc, I wouldn't have gotten it.. just to buy cam's, springs, etc is pushing a grand... and you dont get all that much out of it for the cost.. shrug __________________ #1 swamp donkey

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