[Pranav]

Originally Posted by CrewChiefLite

Wow, what a Chad move. Note that each of my posts was a valid complaint about an officer's oversight.

Oversight? Did you not understand the reasoning behind the decisions made, especially after we had to fight to earn the priveledge to hold car shows out there? Benton doesn't have ESP, he can't magically read your mind and see that you want to go into the car show, before you tell him, before he'd put Clayton's (m48xhp) Mustang in it.

I don't get the big deal anyways. This isn't some car show where people rate your car and you win a trophy; it's simply a promotional event for our club. We've had car shows full of "beaters" (trucks, sedans like mine, etc.), just to show that you don't have to have a "sports car" to join our club and have fun; I'm one of them, so are Kevin, Mary, Bobby,etc.

Originally Posted by CrewChiefLite

Also, I would think it would be pretty important to you to research the reasoning behind the other's posts...The rep is there for a reason, people have heard these things for a reason. It may not be the direct fault of the officers as a whole, but they are the group responsible for the club. As an officer, you coming in here and telling us it's our fault for the bad rep makes you, and consequentially the club, look really bad. If I were in your shoes, instead of sitting on a high horse and blaming us, I would be humble (hey, kind of like when I started this tread) and just ask people what they've heard, and then do my best to explain my side.

Do you want my opinion as to why our club has a bad rep? See what I have to say below...

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Here is my personal experience with the club. I really did not get to meet everybody but still they would talk down on me and my car. Calling it a pos, walking time bomb and talking down on me because I chose to mod it and not leave it stock. Just seemed to me more members where negative then positive. Which I should expect considering most of the members get everything handed to them by their parents. Which I guess that makes then feel like they need to put others down. I paid in full my car and every mod on my car and dont know why spolied kids act like they are cool and a bada$$$. I could really careless though they will have a reality check one day in the real world.

I find this hard to believe. I drive a 4cyl auto accord. I was 17 when I joined the club and had stupid 18" wheels on it. No one put me down because "my car sucked" and it was slow/retarded looking. People suggested that I removed the 18s when I started autocrossing and wearing out tires faster, and I did. I didn't accuse them of "bashing" my car and putting me down because of the wheels I put on it; only as a suggestion to make my auto-x experience better for myself, and easier on my wallet.

Now, I still have the Accord, still have the respect of my friends in the scc, and am responsible for putting on Auto-X events. I talk smack with friends that drive cars that put down 2-3X as much power than mine does, and then talk even more smack when I beat them at Auto-X by seconds. No one "puts me down" for not having a Mustang or a Camaro; I still have just as much respect as any other member that joins the SCC.

I get suggestions that I should trade it for a faster, more competitive car, because I Auto-X 2-3 times a month and am handicapped by an under-prepped car, and again, I don't see them "putting down" my car; only as giving suggestions to make my Auto-X experience better, after 2.5yrs of racing the Accord and improving my driving skills.

I know you'd have more respect in the SCC for paying your own way, as a good chunk of our members are right now, and many members have in the past. Yeah, there are people that have had their parents pay for their shit; I'm one of them, but I'm not about to disprespect my parent's decision to put me in a safe, reliable car by going and trading it on some faster car. I'll be waiting to graduate before I buy a secondary Auto-X car with my own coin. I'll still keep daily driving the accord for a long time, unless I have to trade it for a tow vehicle 5-10yrs from now...

Originally Posted by redrum

werd. exactly my reasonings. there are too many people there who judge how "cool" you are on how fast your car is or whatever. if you're not fast, some of them either will talk down to you, or simply not talk to you at all. if i were to join a car club, im doing it for a hobby's sake. which means i should be having fun. my idea of having fun does NOT entail being put down about what i have, or listening to other peoples' bragging. if i want to know what your mommy bought you, i would have asked. you know?

which is why this site (LSS) is bad ass. we could care less what is on your car or whatever, just as long as you enjoy your car and are a mustang enthusiast.

See my above. The same applies to our site, except you don't have to be a mustang enthusiast.

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Not to flame but I was told that one of the officers did not pay to get in at HRP I dont know if that is ture but to me that is pretty shitty how does that make the clubs reputation when officers are stealing?

You were "told" that one of the officers "stole." Please backup this rumor with FACT before accusing one of us of stealing; that's a fairly serious accusation

Look guys, the POINT I tried to make by quoting all those posts was that our club only has a bad "rep" because a few people take things the wrong way, take it to heart, then tell everyone they know not to join our club because we're full of XXX car hating assholes. You think we don't like Mustangs? Only a couple of years ago every officer had a Mustang. The back of our club shirt still has a Mustang on it. Some of our old skool members started autocrossing with used TX-DPS 5.0 Mustangs back in the day.

I'm going to quote and highlight the below posts just as an example, please don't take this the wrong way:

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Not to flame but I was told that one of the officers did not pay to get in at HRP I dont know if that is ture but to me that is pretty shitty how does that make the clubs reputation when officers are stealing?

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Here is my personal experience with the club. I really did not get to meet everybody but still they would talk down on me and my car. Calling it a pos, walking time bomb and talking down on me because I chose to mod it and not leave it stock. Just seemed to me more members where negative then positive. Which I should expect considering most of the members get everything handed to them by their parents. Which I guess that makes then feel like they need to put others down. I paid in full my car and every mod on my car and dont know why spolied kids act like they are cool and a bada$$$. I could really careless though they will have a reality check one day in the real world.

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

that sounds extremely gay, i have just been convinced not to join.

Originally Posted by redrum

no offense to any of you all that are in it, but i just heard that they are a bunch of a**holes. i never went, so i wouldnt personally know. i just HEARD they are all a**holes from several sources.

The point I tried to make and am still trying to make is that our club's bad "reputation" is based off of hearsay and BIG misunderstandings. It's further perpetuated when people don't give us a fair shot and just tell other people what they HEARD.

Now guys, I invite y'all to come out to this weekend's and future events/meetings and see what our club's really like and give us a 2nd chance. Our previous officers may have sucked at recruiting and making prospective members feel involved and see what the club REALLY is like the RIGHT way, but come out and give us a 2nd chance, we're much better at it now...

-Pranav
05-06 TAMSCC Auto-X Chair
'02 4cyl 4AT Accord LX Sedan

[Pranav]

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

my complaints go further than just one member. Maybe i am just too different and you can call me crazy, but I felt like I was hanging out with the computer club kids that used to get made fun of all the time and now they are in charge of a car club giving them the confidence to be douche bags by making lame azz comments. Not the crowd I choose to hang out with. I join a car club for the hobby and to be surrounded by other enthusiasts that can actually provide interesting stories as well as aged insight. When the "sports car" is put back into the club I may rethink it all. However, the automotive discount is a big plus for the club.

Come out to our Night Rallye tonight; you'll see just how diverse and cool a lot of our members are...

[86sleeper]

interesting, but i don't think a night rally is good for a loud supercharged mustang that has little ground clearance. I can't afford to drag my car IC or exhaust over a bump in the road nor could i really afford the gas to haul butt around town in an unlocked TQ converter. Way to many issues with my car involved for me to have a good time. I will probably go if y'all decide to make a strip event at HRP or HMP, I am always willing to give something another chance. Do y'all ever just have normal g-2-g that don't have the overhead of a price. There are two car meets in the town that are designed just for people to get to know eachother with no obligation.

[Slow_Shaker]

Originally Posted by Pranav

You were "told" that one of the officers "stole." Please backup this rumor with FACT before accusing one of us of stealing; that's a fairly serious accusation

Ok let me put it this way I was told by three members in the club that the The guy driving the green trans am (not giving any names), when at drag race 1 drove straigth through the gates to aviod paying his way in for him and his girlfriend. Which would be stealing imo. When I heard that I lost alot of respect for the club but if it is not ture then I am sorry.

[m48xhp]

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

interesting, but i don't think a night rally is good for a loud supercharged mustang that has little ground clearance. I can't afford to drag my car IC or exhaust over a bump in the road nor could i really afford the gas to haul butt around town in an unlocked TQ converter. Way to many issues with my car involved for me to have a good time. I will probably go if y'all decide to make a strip event at HRP or HMP, I am always willing to give something another chance. Do y'all ever just have normal g-2-g that don't have the overhead of a price. There are two car meets in the town that are designed just for people to get to know eachother with no obligation.

what about a 69 mach 1. loweded with a t56 transplant. THAT is low, and scrapes alot. yet makes it to every rallye. and there is NO cover charge or overhead to be at ANY of our events. it only costs money to compete. watching/riding along/navigating/hanging out is free and very fun. we have gone to HRP and LSRP once and going back to LSRP soon.

[86sleeper]

that is cool that y'all are so involved in the A&M club and y'all want us to be involved in it, but why don't y'all try to get involved in this club as well.
you know the saying "one good turn deserves another."
Plain and simple BCS needs a more active club and from what it appears, we have enough people in this thread to turn both clubs around in the area.

[John#21]

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

that is cool that y'all are so involved in the A&M club and y'all want us to be involved in it, but why don't y'all try to get involved in this club as well.
you know the saying "one good turn deserves another."
Plain and simple BCS needs a more active club and from what it appears, we have enough people in this thread to turn both clubs around in the area.

OMG, you guys. I might have to drive up there and drink beer with you. Talking is good, keep it up.

[86sleeper]

Originally Posted by John#21

OMG, you guys. I might have to drive up there and drink beer with you. Talking is good, keep it up.

sweet, i'll add you to the BCS BBQ thread.
j/k, i'm sure it is quite a drive.

[Pranav]

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Ok let me put it this way I was told by three members in the club that the The guy driving the green trans am (not giving any names), when at drag race 1 drove straigth through the gates to aviod paying his way in for him and his girlfriend. Which would be stealing imo. When I heard that I lost alot of respect for the club but if it is not ture then I am sorry.

That would be Benton, our club president. According to him he was waived through by some chick working the gate. He never drag raced his car that night, just watched. Do they charge for spectating? He doesn't know if they do/did...

[Slow_Shaker]

Originally Posted by Pranav

Do they charge for spectating?

Every drag racing track I have been to charges anywhere from $5-$15 for spectators I think HRP is $6. For some reason I dont belive that a girl waved him through even if you are not charged you still have to sign a wavier before entering they are not going to let random people in without paying and signing the wavier. I just thought it that gave a bad name for the club when the president the one who is supposed to lead the group and set a good examples. Not one who shows up and runs pass the avoiding paying which would be stealing. I am sure if the track owners found out about this the would ban the club form the track for good which would not be cool.

[CrewChiefLite]

From what Benton told me, he just drove through. He made it pretty clear that he didn't get acknoledgement from anyone at the booth. When we told him he should have paid, he just laughed.

However, I don't think that not paying at HRP was nearly as bad as driving in excess of 120 MPH on the way to HRP. Remember, this is the guy who yelled at me for doing a burnout in the rain in an empty parking lot.

I'm glad you were so welcome at TAMSCC. I was not, and neither was Will. I can't count the number of times I've been ridiculed for something (need I bring up the 60' times and ET's?) Ronny was talked smack on before anyone even met him. So was Mike. I'm seeing a trend here...something to do with drag racers and no respect...but maybe it's just me.

Yes, I did take things the wrong way. I took things as being fine, and thought the club members were my friends. I'm realizing now more than ever that I was wrong. So, add me to the LONG list of car lovers the club has driven away, even in recent history.

See, the hardest part for me was that you KNEW there was a problem, yet little was done about it. Guess that's what happens when the problem has a lot of officer friends.

[m48xhp]

Originally Posted by Slow_Shaker

Every drag racing track I have been to charges anywhere from $5-$15 for spectators I think HRP is $6. For some reason I dont belive that a girl waved him through even if you are not charged you still have to sign a wavier before entering they are not going to let random people in without paying and signing the wavier. I just thought it that gave a bad name for the club when the president the one who is supposed to lead the group and set a good examples. Not one who shows up and runs pass the avoiding paying which would be stealing. I am sure if the track owners found out about this the would ban the club form the track for good which would not be cool.

i asked him about it tonight. he said that he did sign the waiver, then asked the person how much it was. the person then told him just to go through....aparently because he was just watching. this has nothing to do with benton just running through, or trying to 'steal' anything.

[PonyTx]

Your always welcome at LSS...and its free! (unless your a silverstar member, then its 20 bucks!)

[CrewChiefLite]

Originally Posted by m48xhp

i asked him about it tonight. he said that he did sign the waiver, then asked the person how much it was. the person then told him just to go through....aparently because he was just watching. this has nothing to do with benton just running through, or trying to 'steal' anything.

That's nice, but I talked to him the night of and Josh watched it happen. He didn't talk to anyone in the booth, and nobody waved him on after he signed the waiver. He was shocked when he found out he was supposed to STOP at the booth and PAY to get in. IIRC, it's $8/person to watch, and everybody who works at HRP knows this. Nobody told him to just go through.

[m48xhp]

Originally Posted by CrewChiefLite

That's nice, but I talked to him the night of and Josh watched it happen. He didn't talk to anyone in the booth, and nobody waved him on after he signed the waiver. He was shocked when he found out he was supposed to STOP at the booth and PAY to get in. IIRC, it's $8/person to watch, and everybody who works at HRP knows this. Nobody told him to just go through.

nevertheless, he did not do it on purpose.

[Slow_Shaker]

Originally Posted by m48xhp

nevertheless, he did not do it on purpose.

I do not know what you dont see he is lying. He knew that you had to pay. It was even posted in the thread talking about the the drag race before they went so he clearly knew before going that you had to pay to watch. I find it funny that he admitted to not paying and laughed about it at the track but now when he is comfronted about it he denies it completely. Yah that sounds about right for the officers in the club complete hypocrites

[Mojave]

Hello all. I'm not here to start anything, nor argue with anyone, just wanted to point out a few things that came to my attention.

I really don't want to step on anyone's toes, nor call anyone names.

Originally Posted by 86sleeper

my complaints go further than just one member. Maybe i am just too different and you can call me crazy, but I felt like I was hanging out with the computer club kids that used to get made fun of all the time and now they are in charge of a car club giving them the confidence to be douche bags by making lame azz comments. Not the crowd I choose to hang out with. I join a car club for the hobby and to be surrounded by other enthusiasts that can actually provide interesting stories as well as aged insight. When the "sports car" is put back into the club I may rethink it all. However, the automotive discount is a big plus for the club.

How have you most interacted with club members? Is it over the internet? If so, might I point out that it is not surprising that you were talking to a bunch of computer nerds, as they are most likely to be on the internet. I'm a Computer Engineering major, and, consequently, even when I'm in class, I am around a computer with an internet connection most of the day.

Not everyone in the club is a computer nerd, auto-xer, drag racer, rallyer, or whatever. Certainly, there are several of us who are are around computers a lot, and, thus, we are usually on several forums, a lot.

If you don't come to events or socials, how can you meet the people who aren't computer nerds? I know many club members who rarely post on our forum, much less any others.



I believe Redum said at an auto-x (last semester?) someone was very rude. I'm not sure of the exact specifics, but, IIRC (please correct if I'm wrong), he got a ride with someone who said some things that were in poor taste. I just wanted to make it clear that there are LOTS of people at auto-x's, many of which aren't members of TAMSCC. 99% of the people I have met auto-xing around the state are very friendly, some people can be in very bad moods during an auto-x, escpically if they are drively poorly (ask how I know that...).

Also, we are kind of anal about rules. The unversity is very strict with what we can and can not do at the Annex. Therefore, we need to not fool around with safety related rules. This also includes grid and around the start/finish line at auto-x's. In these post-Bonfire days, with Risk Management, we tend to be over-protective, and for good reason. Without the annex, the club would die.

If someone screams at you in relation to some safety rule, please, understand, its for your safety, as well as the safety of the club. While it may seem unimportant at the time, we could literaly be one accident away from losing the annex.

I doubt that any officer tried to be mean, or make you feel as though you shouldn't join our club or be at our events. I doubt any member would do this either. But also remember when asking for rides, many competitive people do not want the weight in their car. I lost to Frank today by .077 secs. When dealing with gaps that small, 100-200 lbs makes a difference.

So anyone who doesn't want to give a ride on their last few runs isn't trying to be mean or discourage you, just that they want every advantage they can get, and rightfully so.



Also, I have never, ever told anyone new person that their car/driving/whatever sucks at an event. EVER. I have talked my share of smack, that is for sure, but I do not try and make noobs feel slow/inadequte/stupid/whatever. At OD102 on sat, I gave rides to at least 10 people, burning up a set of R compounds in the process. I also rode with several other individuals who were looking to improve their auto-x driving. I drove everything from an MR2 to a Lincoln Mark VIII to an M3 to a GTP, all in good fun.

If anyone is around during the summer, the summer practices are great fun. Not only do you get unlimited runs, you can con your friends into driving thier car, and then the smack REALLY gets deep Also, OD101and OD102 are great times to get out and meet new club members and try their cars. Even if you don't have a car to auto-x, you can bum rides from every kind of car imaginable.

[CrewChiefLite]

^Best post by a club member yet. Kudos, Chad.

Folks, the events this club puts on are fun. I never said they weren't. It's just the politics of the club I don't agree with, and that makes it really hard to be a member of the club. I still intend on attending events, as my schedule allows, but only out of love for the sport of automobiles.

[kansas02GT]

I am an officer in the club, and I encourage everyone who can, to come out to the events which we have so you can make your own decisions about us.

I feel I am fairly unbiased to those in/out of the club, i try to talk to everybody, and (if i think you would be ok with it) I may make a remark or two (to your face) about your car if it is rice...however...this does not mean that I hate you or dont want you to come back.

PS. i am not on anyone's side as far as liking/disliking the club goes. everyone has their personal problems that somehow come to the table, and every club has a kink or two. please dont let one or two people's haphazard reactions to you steer you away. im sure there are people in some of the groups you hang out in that you would rather not be there sometimes.

[86sleeper]

Originally Posted by kansas02GT

im sure there are people in some of the groups you hang out in that you would rather not be there sometimes.

that is sooooooo true.
The two events i went to I don't remember seeing your stang. hope you can make it to the bbq we are trying to set up on this site for BCS.