who does head porting work around san antonio area ?? - Lone Star Stangs

greenhornet347 · 11-25-2008, 04:37 PM

im looking for a shop to port the shit out of my afr 225s...anybody

**Sonic Blue 85** · 11-25-2008, 04:52 PM

Ohnestly the AFR 225s are bigger than they ever should have been ported to begin with. They should have raised both the intake ports and exhaust ports and changed the valve angles before ever making the ports as large as they did. Basicaly I would leave them alone or look for a better set of heads, such as a pair of Edelbrock Victor 15 degree heads or possibly a pair of highly ported TFS High Ports or just get a pair of Yates heads.

95 GTS · 11-25-2008, 06:09 PM

I agree. Sell heads, profit.

**psiperformance** · 11-29-2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Blue 85

Ohnestly the AFR 225s are bigger than they ever should have been ported to begin with. They should have raised both the intake ports and exhaust ports and changed the valve angles before ever making the ports as large as they did. Basicaly I would leave them alone or look for a better set of heads, such as a pair of Edelbrock Victor 15 degree heads or possibly a pair of highly ported TFS High Ports or just get a pair of Yates heads.

You need to qualify statements like that they are not to big at all when put on a proper motor.

i made 1200 rwhp with afr 225 heads on a 363 turbo motor right out the box they are no where near to big for a 350 + cube motor..

they are to big for your average 331 347 however.

and they didnt move the ports around for a reason

MOST RACING CLASSES DON'T ALLOW ALTERED VALVE ANGLES OR REVISED PORT LOCATIONS

they are prety much the badest thing available for classes that require stock port locations and valve angles where a trick flow or victor head is not legal..

**Sonic Blue 85** · 12-01-2008, 11:11 AM

Unless it was a power adder engine such as blower engine and was being run in a class that limited you to stock valve angles and port locations, this is not a head I would ever recomend. I will work well on larger engines, but most of those engines are not going to be running in a class that requires stock port location and valve angles. The head flows good, but for the money and the size of the head, for 90 to 95 percent of the applications that need a head of that size I would be looking at other heads. Basicaly AFR does some very good work on their heads, but for Ford applications they only do heads that have stock port locations and valve angles, there is a lot to be gained by getting away form stock layout. If they took their knowledge and started from scratch, build a couple of heads with the cross sectional area and valve sizes that the 205 and 225 heads have raised the intake and exhaust ports, used somewhere between a 10 degree to 15 degree valve angle. I am sure they would come up with a couple of heads that would be more efficiant and would make more power than the 205 and 225 heads and the price should not be much higher than what they are selling the those heads for, but they would probably raise the price a good bit. Currently all of their Ford heads are based off of the same castings, so their cost is going to be lower. I would bet higher profit as a result of using the same castings is the reason for using that one casting and not because they are trying to cater to a few people that are limited to stock port locations and valve angles in a couple of classes.
I like the smaller 165 and 185 castings, those are very good heads for the comon EFI applications, but most people don't understand that they should increase the bore size a good bit if they are going to use a intake valve larger than a 2.02. The EFI intakes are one of the main reasons for using a head with a stock port location, most of the EFI intakes do not have as large of cross sectional area that the AFR 205 and 225 heads have, nor will the will the EFI intakes flow what the 205 and 225 heads will. Yes there are a few EFI intakes that will flow what the 205 heads flow, but I don't know of any that have the cross sectional area of the 225 or will flow what it will. I know boost hides a lot of problems, but it helps to build the engine correctly before putting boost to the engine. Most of the people that actualy need a head the size of a AFR 225 are going to use a carb style intake, when you are not limited to the runners coming in from a low angle like EFI intake do. Why not take advantage of a more efficiant head with ports that have a higher angle of entry?

**thesource** · 12-01-2008, 02:58 PM

Actually AFR is coming out with a totally new line of heads that do in fact have a rolled valve angle . Their new line in the 185 series are suppose to be a little better than the current 205 which is an awesome cylinder head ......

greenhornet347 · 12-01-2008, 05:38 PM

i went ahead and sold my 225s to my neighbor..so now i passed up 205s and 225s now i just purchased some tea trickflow r....these are badass...
flow bench on these heads
ex in
0.1 65.5 -- 68.7
0.2 115.5 --137.8
0.3 166.3 -- 205.6
0.4 218.0 -- 261.2
0.5 243.7 -- 299.6
0.55 253.8 -- 313.7
0.6 261.6 -- 325.2
0.7 271.7 -- 346.0

i hope these will work well on my 418....

**thesource** · 12-01-2008, 06:40 PM

Do your pistons have the reliefs for a twisted wedge head ?

greenhornet347 · 12-01-2008, 07:04 PM

yup..

**thesource** · 12-01-2008, 07:06 PM

Get yourself a nice custom cam to match the heads and you are good to go .

greenhornet347 · 12-01-2008, 08:19 PM

well what i got is a crower solid roller in 621 ex 635 114ls

**thesource** · 12-01-2008, 08:23 PM

I'm sure it will work but I bet you are leaving 20-30 horse power off the table with that cam .

95 GTS · 12-02-2008, 12:34 PM

love the tea trick flows, good choice.

**Sonic Blue 85** · 12-02-2008, 01:02 PM

So you stepped up to a 418 and some better heads, the car should run a good bit faster. What year is your car? You may some trouble getting that engine in your car with a good set of headers that will be needed with a combo like that. I would like to know the rest of the specs for that cam. I is not what you should use, but I am looking to build a couple of turbo engines with solid roller cams and that cam may be a good turbo cam.

racer99 · 12-02-2008, 02:13 PM

Thats a fair size camshaft.Alot bigger than the one in my
turbo motor but I had a few limitations.

**Sonic Blue 85** · 12-02-2008, 04:32 PM

I have not seen and duration nubers yet, I said it could be a good turbo cam. With a .621 in. and .635 ex. lift and a 114 LCA solid roller grind. I would gess this is a serious blower or turbo grind.
Chis I have not heard from you in a while, I would still like to get those power glide parts and the C4 bell housing. I would also like to see the turbo cars and the wagon. If things go the way I want them to my little blue coupe may get replaced by an older and heavier four eyed ride. I am hoping the deal works.

racer99 · 12-02-2008, 04:54 PM

Will call you this week.
My cam is a CamMotion
solid flat tappet.
If I remember right it is
241/236 @ .050
536/531 on a 113.5 cl.

**psiperformance** · 12-10-2008, 11:44 PM

thats a turbo grind for a car running a larger t 4 based single compressor the reason for the larger intake then exhaust duration is the higher back preasure in the exhaust on the street type setups vs a big single t-6 setup or a large t-4 twin setup.

would work very well in a turbo car runing a turbo in the t-60 to t-76 range.

11-25-2008, 04:37 PM	#1
greenhornet347 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: alice Posts: 230	who does head porting work around san antonio area ?? im looking for a shop to port the shit out of my afr 225s...anybody

11-25-2008, 04:52 PM	#2
Sonic Blue 85 LSS Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Braunfels Posts: 451	Ohnestly the AFR 225s are bigger than they ever should have been ported to begin with. They should have raised both the intake ports and exhaust ports and changed the valve angles before ever making the ports as large as they did. Basicaly I would leave them alone or look for a better set of heads, such as a pair of Edelbrock Victor 15 degree heads or possibly a pair of highly ported TFS High Ports or just get a pair of Yates heads. __________________ My car is an '85 sonic blue coupe with 302 bored and stroked to 364, Ported Twisted Wedge heads and a BXR intake, A9M ECM with a Tweecer, C4 with trans brake, Hoosier 275/60/15 drag radials, no power adders. The car is still street driven, with a best of 10.21 at 131 mph with a 1.51 60' spinning lightly. With this combo it made a best of 460 hp and 410 lbs of torque at the wheels.

11-25-2008, 06:09 PM	#3
95 GTS Back in the saddle again Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,851	I agree. Sell heads, profit. __________________ 2007 Reflex Silver Wolfsburg Jetta - new hotness 1995 Canary Yellow GTS - Sold 12.81@106.2 w/1.80 60' Boltons/E303 + 3100 lbs + M&H 246 HP/ 290 TQ 12.57 @ 109.21 w/1.76 60' Boltons/GT40Ps/XE270 + 3240 lbs + 555Rs 295 HP / 321 TQ

12-01-2008, 11:11 AM	#5
Sonic Blue 85 LSS Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Braunfels Posts: 451	Unless it was a power adder engine such as blower engine and was being run in a class that limited you to stock valve angles and port locations, this is not a head I would ever recomend. I will work well on larger engines, but most of those engines are not going to be running in a class that requires stock port location and valve angles. The head flows good, but for the money and the size of the head, for 90 to 95 percent of the applications that need a head of that size I would be looking at other heads. Basicaly AFR does some very good work on their heads, but for Ford applications they only do heads that have stock port locations and valve angles, there is a lot to be gained by getting away form stock layout. If they took their knowledge and started from scratch, build a couple of heads with the cross sectional area and valve sizes that the 205 and 225 heads have raised the intake and exhaust ports, used somewhere between a 10 degree to 15 degree valve angle. I am sure they would come up with a couple of heads that would be more efficiant and would make more power than the 205 and 225 heads and the price should not be much higher than what they are selling the those heads for, but they would probably raise the price a good bit. Currently all of their Ford heads are based off of the same castings, so their cost is going to be lower. I would bet higher profit as a result of using the same castings is the reason for using that one casting and not because they are trying to cater to a few people that are limited to stock port locations and valve angles in a couple of classes. I like the smaller 165 and 185 castings, those are very good heads for the comon EFI applications, but most people don't understand that they should increase the bore size a good bit if they are going to use a intake valve larger than a 2.02. The EFI intakes are one of the main reasons for using a head with a stock port location, most of the EFI intakes do not have as large of cross sectional area that the AFR 205 and 225 heads have, nor will the will the EFI intakes flow what the 205 and 225 heads will. Yes there are a few EFI intakes that will flow what the 205 heads flow, but I don't know of any that have the cross sectional area of the 225 or will flow what it will. I know boost hides a lot of problems, but it helps to build the engine correctly before putting boost to the engine. Most of the people that actualy need a head the size of a AFR 225 are going to use a carb style intake, when you are not limited to the runners coming in from a low angle like EFI intake do. Why not take advantage of a more efficiant head with ports that have a higher angle of entry? __________________ My car is an '85 sonic blue coupe with 302 bored and stroked to 364, Ported Twisted Wedge heads and a BXR intake, A9M ECM with a Tweecer, C4 with trans brake, Hoosier 275/60/15 drag radials, no power adders. The car is still street driven, with a best of 10.21 at 131 mph with a 1.51 60' spinning lightly. With this combo it made a best of 460 hp and 410 lbs of torque at the wheels.

12-01-2008, 02:58 PM	#6
thesource LSS Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a hole building transmissions Posts: 3,682	Actually AFR is coming out with a totally new line of heads that do in fact have a rolled valve angle . Their new line in the 185 series are suppose to be a little better than the current 205 which is an awesome cylinder head ...... __________________ Texas Motorsports Myspace Texas Motorsports Photobucket

12-01-2008, 05:38 PM	#7
greenhornet347 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: alice Posts: 230	i went ahead and sold my 225s to my neighbor..so now i passed up 205s and 225s now i just purchased some tea trickflow r....these are badass... flow bench on these heads ex in 0.1 65.5 -- 68.7 0.2 115.5 --137.8 0.3 166.3 -- 205.6 0.4 218.0 -- 261.2 0.5 243.7 -- 299.6 0.55 253.8 -- 313.7 0.6 261.6 -- 325.2 0.7 271.7 -- 346.0 i hope these will work well on my 418....

12-01-2008, 06:40 PM	#8
thesource LSS Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a hole building transmissions Posts: 3,682	Do your pistons have the reliefs for a twisted wedge head ? __________________ Texas Motorsports Myspace Texas Motorsports Photobucket

12-01-2008, 07:04 PM	#9
greenhornet347 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: alice Posts: 230	yup..

12-01-2008, 07:06 PM	#10
thesource LSS Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a hole building transmissions Posts: 3,682	Get yourself a nice custom cam to match the heads and you are good to go . __________________ Texas Motorsports Myspace Texas Motorsports Photobucket

12-01-2008, 08:19 PM	#11
greenhornet347 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: alice Posts: 230	well what i got is a crower solid roller in 621 ex 635 114ls

12-01-2008, 08:23 PM	#12
thesource LSS Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a hole building transmissions Posts: 3,682	I'm sure it will work but I bet you are leaving 20-30 horse power off the table with that cam . __________________ Texas Motorsports Myspace Texas Motorsports Photobucket

12-02-2008, 12:34 PM	#13
95 GTS Back in the saddle again Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,851	love the tea trick flows, good choice. __________________ 2007 Reflex Silver Wolfsburg Jetta - new hotness 1995 Canary Yellow GTS - Sold 12.81@106.2 w/1.80 60' Boltons/E303 + 3100 lbs + M&H 246 HP/ 290 TQ 12.57 @ 109.21 w/1.76 60' Boltons/GT40Ps/XE270 + 3240 lbs + 555Rs 295 HP / 321 TQ

12-02-2008, 01:02 PM	#14
Sonic Blue 85 LSS Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Braunfels Posts: 451	So you stepped up to a 418 and some better heads, the car should run a good bit faster. What year is your car? You may some trouble getting that engine in your car with a good set of headers that will be needed with a combo like that. I would like to know the rest of the specs for that cam. I is not what you should use, but I am looking to build a couple of turbo engines with solid roller cams and that cam may be a good turbo cam. __________________ My car is an '85 sonic blue coupe with 302 bored and stroked to 364, Ported Twisted Wedge heads and a BXR intake, A9M ECM with a Tweecer, C4 with trans brake, Hoosier 275/60/15 drag radials, no power adders. The car is still street driven, with a best of 10.21 at 131 mph with a 1.51 60' spinning lightly. With this combo it made a best of 460 hp and 410 lbs of torque at the wheels.

12-02-2008, 02:13 PM	#15
racer99 Box Foxes Rule!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,427	Thats a fair size camshaft.Alot bigger than the one in my turbo motor but I had a few limitations. __________________ Never underestimate the unpredictability of stupidity! 78 Zephyr, 82 Granada Wagon, 88 Mustang 2.3T 94 GT

12-02-2008, 04:32 PM	#16
Sonic Blue 85 LSS Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Braunfels Posts: 451	I have not seen and duration nubers yet, I said it could be a good turbo cam. With a .621 in. and .635 ex. lift and a 114 LCA solid roller grind. I would gess this is a serious blower or turbo grind. Chis I have not heard from you in a while, I would still like to get those power glide parts and the C4 bell housing. I would also like to see the turbo cars and the wagon. If things go the way I want them to my little blue coupe may get replaced by an older and heavier four eyed ride. I am hoping the deal works. __________________ My car is an '85 sonic blue coupe with 302 bored and stroked to 364, Ported Twisted Wedge heads and a BXR intake, A9M ECM with a Tweecer, C4 with trans brake, Hoosier 275/60/15 drag radials, no power adders. The car is still street driven, with a best of 10.21 at 131 mph with a 1.51 60' spinning lightly. With this combo it made a best of 460 hp and 410 lbs of torque at the wheels.

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12-02-2008, 04:54 PM	#17
racer99 Box Foxes Rule!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,427	Will call you this week. My cam is a CamMotion solid flat tappet. If I remember right it is 241/236 @ .050 536/531 on a 113.5 cl. __________________ Never underestimate the unpredictability of stupidity! 78 Zephyr, 82 Granada Wagon, 88 Mustang 2.3T 94 GT Last edited by racer99; 12-02-2008 at 04:57 PM.

12-10-2008, 11:44 PM	#18
psiperformance LSS Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 885	thats a turbo grind for a car running a larger t 4 based single compressor the reason for the larger intake then exhaust duration is the higher back preasure in the exhaust on the street type setups vs a big single t-6 setup or a large t-4 twin setup. would work very well in a turbo car runing a turbo in the t-60 to t-76 range. __________________ PSI Performance Solutions 210-655-6546 10811 nacogdoches road San Antonio TX 78217 cmr tuners and full service performance shop.