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[Brent]

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[monkey]

Originally Posted by Brent

I'm trying to understand at what point Obama showed he holds contempt and disrespect for this country. This should be entertaining to hear.

Originally Posted by Brent

I'm not voting for him. I'm not voting for McCain. What's laughable is that you guys keep assuming that because I don't agree with you that everything Obama is bad that means I support him. I'm just tired of seeing the bullshit some of you keep labeling Obama.

Obama is NOT Muslim, yes; however he was raised in a very fundamentalist church that preaches hate towards whites. That's what scars people, Brent. Even if they merely read about it, or just saw it on TV somewhere. That's the background that they don't like.

Obama still preaches hate to Americans about America. The whole we need change thing. Why not preach change with an undertone of respect for the way things are or the way things have been? I mean for him to not just describe how bad this country is and how he can change it, not just describe what bad this country has done; but give hope by reassuring Americans why we love this country so much.

Not wearing a silly little flag pin, not pledging allegiance to the flag; those are just icing on the cake. Regardless of what you think, it's a sign of disrespect; especially in a time of war. They're required or asked to wear it, everyone else did. What does it tell you if your wife takes off her wedding ring just because she didn't feel like wearing it that day? It may just be a symbol, nothing to be worshiped or anything; but you're still asked to respect it from the time you're a kid. Right? This person who doesn't respect it as an ADULT is running for the highest office in our nation.

You wanna come on here and "make us think" give us your opinions and then bash ours when we don't agree. That's just being an ass hole. I do enjoy your opinions, Brent. I think opposition is key to any argument you have. Opposition is the beauty of debate, but you egg people on and it's getting annoying. We all know you don't side for either party. We all know you want us to think. We all know what you think about pretty much everything from religion to politics. Just stop being annoying about it.

[BlackRob]

Originally Posted by monkey

Obama is NOT Muslim, yes; however he was raised in a very fundamentalist church that preaches hate towards whites. That's what scars people, Brent. Even if they merely read about it, or just saw it on TV somewhere. That's the background that they don't like.

Obama still preaches hate to Americans about America. The whole we need change thing. Why not preach change with an undertone of respect for the way things are or the way things have been? I mean for him to not just describe how bad this country is and how he can change it, not just describe what bad this country has done; but give hope by reassuring Americans why we love this country so much.

Not wearing a silly little flag pin, not pledging allegiance to the flag; those are just icing on the cake. Regardless of what you think, it's a sign of disrespect; especially in a time of war. They're required or asked to wear it, everyone else did. What does it tell you if your wife takes off her wedding ring just because she didn't feel like wearing it that day? It may just be a symbol, nothing to be worshiped or anything; but you're still asked to respect it from the time you're a kid. Right? This person who doesn't respect it as an ADULT is running for the highest office in our nation.

You wanna come on here and "make us think" give us your opinions and then bash ours when we don't agree. That's just being an ass hole. I do enjoy your opinions, Brent. I think opposition is key to any argument you have. Opposition is the beauty of debate, but you egg people on and it's getting annoying. We all know you don't side for either party. We all know you want us to think. We all know what you think about pretty much everything from religion to politics. Just stop being annoying about it.

thats my baby! Well said

Brent I don't really understand you because you never seem to have a position on these debates. You just seem to like to debate against whatever the coversation is.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by monkey

Obama is NOT Muslim, yes; however he was raised in a very fundamentalist church that preaches hate towards whites. That's what scars people, Brent. Even if they merely read about it, or just saw it on TV somewhere. That's the background that they don't like.

I agree that he was raised in a very fundamentalist church. It wasn't a Muslim church though. The Church does not preach 'hate' for whites either. While I am sure there are some that do have that feeling towards white, just because one guy gets a 12 second sound bite on National TV saying something really stupid, doesn't mean that it reflects the entire Church.

Obama still preaches hate to Americans about America. The whole we need change thing. Why not preach change with an undertone of respect for the way things are or the way things have been? I mean for him to not just describe how bad this country is and how he can change it, not just describe what bad this country has done; but give hope by reassuring Americans why we love this country so much.

Obama has done the same if not more in explaining steps he would take to 'change' this country as McCain. I don't agree with his 'change' though. What Obama is doing is called politics. Sure he has said some dumb things. Just like McCain. That doesn't mean he is preaching hate about America.

Not wearing a silly little flag pin, not pledging allegiance to the flag; those are just icing on the cake. Regardless of what you think, it's a sign of disrespect; especially in a time of war. They're required or asked to wear it, everyone else did. What does it tell you if your wife takes off her wedding ring just because she didn't feel like wearing it that day? It may just be a symbol, nothing to be worshiped or anything; but you're still asked to respect it from the time you're a kid. Right? This person who doesn't respect it as an ADULT is running for the highest office in our nation.

You wanna come on here and "make us think" give us your opinions and then bash ours when we don't agree. That's just being an ass hole.

I'm tired of hearing about Obama being a Muslim and Obama not being patriotic because he doesn't wear a damn pin or he screwed up and didn't put his hand over his heart. All I did was point out that Obama isn't the first one to do it and that a former President screwed it up too. If George Bush Sr can do it and get away with it why can't Obama? Because, like you said, it's icing on the cake for some people. He's black, he has a connection to a Muslim family (even though he isn't Muslim) and he's a liberal, something Republicans have done a great job at making a bad word. A word that to some means Anti-American because they don't wrap themselves in the flag or pass legislation called "Patriot ______")

Basing your vote off these issues is sad. Even more sad is that some of you refuse to vote for a 3rd party or urge others to vote for a 3rd party because the simple fact that Obama might get into the White House scares these people so much they don't the Republican candidate to lose any votes.

As someone who has grown up in one of the most conservative and religious states in the country it gets old having to listen to straight ignorance every day. People who vote rarely vote on issues other than gay rights, abortion other issues that are very minor but due to their religious beliefs, they feel like they are obligated to fight these issues tooth and nail.

They cry liberals want to raise their taxes but are too ignorant to understand what the current Republican party has done to our dollar. What the 2002 tax cuts did to our economy by creating the largest deficits in American history.

They still support a Republican party that rushed us to war with absolutely no threat to America.

Yet, every 4 years I get to see stickers on everyones car supporting the Republican candidate, because that's just what Christians do. They don't vote any other way and they fight the liberals to the end.

If people stopped talking about flag pins, disrespecting the flag and all these IRRELEVANT issues and concentrated on the real issues I am sure they can come to the conclusion that maybe Obama doesn't deserve your vote anyways. I feel that they would also come to the conclusion that McCain doesn't deserve the vote either.

It's frustrating. I'm not just attacking conservatives but that is the majority here and that is why I talk so much about them. If I were to get on a California Mustang website I'm sure I'd be talking a lot more about liberals and their policies and why we don't need Obama in office. It won't be because he doesn't wear a flag pin though.

I do enjoy your opinions, Brent. I think opposition is key to any argument you have. Opposition is the beauty of debate, but you egg people on and it's getting annoying. We all know you don't side for either party. We all know you want us to think. We all know what you think about pretty much everything from religion to politics. Just stop being annoying about it.

I don't think I egg people on. If I do it's only because of frustration of seeing the same thing over and over. You might get tired of my responses getting 'old' but the same can be said from my side. It gets old seeing the same thing said over and over again. It gets old trying to talk about the issues only to have someone make a post that has nothing to do with them only because of ignorance and/or wanting to be funny/get things riled up.

Brent I don't really understand you because you never seem to have a position on these debates. You just seem to like to debate against whatever the coversation is.

I don't have a side in most debates because you guys have picked one or the other it seems.You see good in one side and bad in the other. You ignore the problems of one and call out the bad on the other side. When I say 'you' I mean that in general and not actually you.

When we do talk about the issues I point out where both sides fault on them. This must be what you are referring to. I don't just attack one side. It seems most here just want to pick one side and then show where they are faulty and ignore the Republican or in some cases for some members the Democrat side.